Why use a Dragoon or Monk when you can use a Warrior?

[Velhart]

They'd have to buff PLD single target/aoe DPS to be comparable to WAR for any smart linkshell to roll with one instead of WAR. This all just goes back to why MRD > GLA pre jobs. WAR has the better aoe for princess. WAR has the better single target for Chim/Mistress/Coincounter.

The problem is, the only way I see PLD being top choice again is if they gimp WAR's AoE like they did in 1.20. It is a sensitive issue because that is the main appeal of the Warrior is his AoE and ability to tank off that. So I think instead of gimping WAR, PLDs should excel. Meaning, they need more leverage in defense, because right now, my WAR ges hit just as hard as my PLD, but has way more HP to work with. Basically, defense needs to be fixed if PLD is no suppose to have high HP. So far all PLD is good at is holding hate.

[tachikoma]

They'd have to buff PLD single target/aoe DPS to be comparable to WAR for any smart linkshell to roll with one instead of WAR. This all just goes back to why MRD > GLA pre jobs. WAR has the better aoe for princess. WAR has the better single target for Chim/Mistress/Coincounter.

Or raise the enmity threashold of PLD to a point where the loss in dps makes up for better hate control. Allow other dps to go harder speed up the fights.

[Bongeh1986]

DRG is the samurai of FFXIV, you can practically WS constantly and not gain hate.

[Starlord]

DRG is the samurai of FFXIV, you can practically WS constantly and not gain hate.

Dragoon= Stunmaster DRG stun can last up to 12 secs (last I counted), 2 Stuns WS + Para WS, Fast AA, Invigorate, Spamming WS like a mad mans business!

Old Six-arms VS WAR/DRG when its Dealing with a 1 Mob DRG comes out on top hands down, WAR/DRG with Multiple mobs its a tough call, since DRG has Rings of Talons and can use Keen Flurry to get 2 Rings of Talons in 30 secs... but I think War has a slight edge on Multi Mobs.

I much rather play DRG than WAR anyhow, if it was about which one is better, because of all a DRG can do VS what a War can do.

The only thing WAR really has to me is Steel Cyclone, that's the only thing that makes people think WAR is better.

[byyako]

I think what it might be good to be more dynamic in play mechanism among these 3 melee dps classes. My pugilist and lancer are still low in level, but they do feel kinda similar to me other than the animation and visual effect

[Technolust]

Am I the only one that sees that this is a troll post?

Person posting is using a second account/alt to post this.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...icuid=13308847

[Zahak]

And that's why War gets nerfed today! j/k! Unless of course they do, then i will ninja edit j/k out

[Kitfox]

A warrior, who is not tanking, has to use berserk to boost his damage. This makes their defence crap and only the defence they have is their high HP and foresight/featherfoot. This is means WAR has to avoid getting hate and AoEs just the same as any other DD. The problem is, WAR doesn't have hate reduction abilities. In the contrary Steel Cyclone Combo enhances enmity gain.

MNK and DRG specialize in dealing damage. Even if they have lower HP pool, they have hate reduction ablities, which raise their max dmg output cap (until hate shifts). They also have ablities that further boost their damage to reach that higher dmg cap. One could argue that WARs' Berserk is on par with MNK and DRGs' DD ablities, which it isn't imo, but WAR still loses in max dmg cap and steals hate much easier. And like I said, while using Berserk, WAR is definitely NOT in tanking state, not to mention that getting hit will gimp Berserk effect further decreasing WAR dmg output. That simply concludes that MNK/DRG>WAR for DD. Why is this even a discussion?

WAR tanking and using Rampage is balanced with MNK and DRG, because then they don't have to worry about keeping their enmity down.

[tachikoma]

Honestly, I don't see a reason to.

Monks may be worth a spot on one or maybe two encounters due to their higher dps. I wouldn't bring a Dragoon over a Warrior ever. In the grand scheme, Warriors are simply much better all around than either of the other two melee jobs. Most of the setups in my LS and outside are either range stacked or Warrior stacked. The best tank job is also the best all-around melee job. Their damage, their AoE damage, and their survivability in combination makes Warriors the best choice in most cases. I understand they are making some changes for Paladins, but how about for Dragoons and Monks?

I don't want to talk about range v. melee, just simply melee v. melee in this thread.

Maybe your dps on warrior is comparable to LNC simply because you play with BAD ppl who don't know what they are doing on LNC. The single target dps on LNC is higher then WAR if played correctly. IMO LNC is the easiest job to play bad, its really hard to keep everything on cooldown especially in hectic fights like princess, the acc issue makes it a reasonable gear check on many targets that you just don't see on the other jobs (except blm).

[Lux_Rayna]

Maybe your dps on warrior is comparable to LNC simply because you play with BAD ppl who don't know what they are doing on LNC. The single target dps on LNC is higher then WAR if played correctly. IMO LNC is the easiest job to play bad, its really hard to keep everything on cooldown especially in hectic fights like princess, the acc issue makes it a reasonable gear check on many targets that you just don't see on the other jobs (except blm).

Animation lock makes it even harder. LNC is in the most danger of death because you are constantly using WS's, and every WS puts you at risk of insta-death. I love it though, makes you focus like a shaolin monk going for dat pesky pebble.