Savage loot system. Should be changed?

[Clouse_Cleyra]

As I am very happy with the implements that we got each time (books, chests) I still think there is space for improvement.

I dont understand why cant we get 1 piece from each turn every week. It would be awesome if we didnt get the gear that we could join other pug group and try again, this would make pugs a lot leds toxic and having people with experience.
Also would make us do more clears and less tedious expert roulletes making cap every week more fun and helping new people get their clears.

Any ideas or things that should be implemented? Is it even possible some things could be changed?

Myself personally I have already cleared titan so im gonna quit the game and come back when stuff is farmeable to have fun gearing up other classes.
Would be awesome if the game would let us do that from the start... Or having another oportunity when changings jobs or something

[DrWho2010]

Please for the love of the twelve do NOT start yet another thread on the topic of Savage Loot system when there are others already talking about it. If you want to get the devs attention on a subject they want long threads with relevant posts having multiple likes. every person starting their own thread just dilutes the conversation.

the gearing system is designed to NOT gear up people quickly. the savage fights were already tuned 15% lower HP from original design. The best groups are already getting Titan savage to 15% or less hp even at the start of Orogenesis (Phase 3). Other people will be not even seeing enrage casts soon enough in their fights. You've already said yourself you're going to quit - the devs DO NOT WANT people to gear up fast.

the sooner people gear up and get BIS the sooner they leave because raids are released 6 months apart.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

You've already said yourself you're going to quit - the devs DO NOT WANT people to gear up fast.

the sooner people gear up and get BIS the sooner they leave because raids are released 6 months apart.

No, im quitting because doing 1 clear per week its too little stuff to do, i finish it in 90 minutes. If i could clear it several times with reward (like when its open to farm) i would stay playing and doing it with other jobs.

[Vidu]

No, im quitting because doing 1 clear per week its too little stuff to do, i finish it in 90 minutes. If i could clear it several times with reward (like when its open to farm) i would stay playing and doing it with other jobs.

If you're only intrested in Savage, your best bet is to quit the game, yes.
Riddle me this: If you could run Savage as often as you'd like to run it (rewards included) how long do you think would it take you to gear up all the jobs you're intrested in gearing up? And what would you do after all of your jobs are geared up? Remember: You have 6 months til the next raid tier and if you're only intrested in Savage gear and got everything... why would you stay subbed?

[Clouse_Cleyra]

If you're only intrested in Savage, your best bet is to quit the game, yes.
Riddle me this: If you could run Savage as often as you'd like to run it (rewards included) how long do you think would it take you to gear up all the jobs you're intrested in gearing up? And what would you do after all of your jobs are geared up? Remember: You have 6 months til the next raid tier and if you're only intrested in Savage gear and got everything... why would you stay subbed?

If u could get 1 drop of each turn per week It would be 96 pieces in 6 month. Thats gearing like half jobs and still is being very extreme.
It also makes u go and pug more and make people withoun static more chances to clear content.
I dont get that why having more flexibility is worse

[Vidu]

If u could get 1 drop of each turn per week It would be 96 pieces in 6 month. Thats gearing like half jobs and still is being very extreme.
It also makes u go and pug more and make people withoun static more chances to clear content.
I dont get that why having more flexibility is worse

To gear all jobs you need a total of 62 pieces of gear plus a maximum of 17 weapons, which ends up being 79 pieces total. Now, I know that the distribution of the different pieces varies, but it seems pretty likely to me that 6 months would be enough to get those pieces.
If we go with the assumption that you'll get one piece of loot from each tier each week and we'll assume on top of that that you'll get the "ideal" distribution (which seems fair if we apply your request to run this unlimited, meaning you can fish for the right gear), this is what you'd have to run - this is ignoring extra loot you'd get through tokens aswell as tomestone-gear that might be better. We'll aim for 100% Savage-gear or rather: as close to 100% as we can get, seeing how only one of two rings can be from Savage.

E1: 27 runs needed - 20 for all assecories, 7 for the belts
E2: 14 runs needed - 7 for gloves, 7 for boots*
E3: 14 runs needed - 7 for head, 7 for legs*
E4: 24 runs needed - 7 for the chest-pieces, 17 for the weapons

*gloves, boots and head gear drops in both E2 and E3 - it seemed more sensible to split it in a way that required an equal amount of runs from E2 and E3. One could ofc do 21 runs of E2 and only 7 of E3 (for the legs). Or any other combination.

So your biggest culprit here would be E1 with those 27 weeks - followed by a very tight E4 requirement if you truely wanted to gear up all jobs with just Savage gear.

And actually it would not give people without a static better chances to clear content - have you ever taken a look at what happens to Ex-primals 1-2 months after their release? You start to see less and less parties for them - especially no learning parties anymore aswell as fewer farm-parties. And why is that? Because people were able to farm them unlimited, those who were intrested in doing that, finished and have now no reason to go back again, thus making it more difficult to find skilled parties to learn, clear or even farm the content.
Thats how this would have a bad impact on us as a playerbase aswell as on the buisness-side of SE who wants you to stay subbed, which is why that "flexibility" would be a bad thing for them.

You also didnt answer my question: If you could farm Savage to your hearts content and gear up all the jobs (...even the 11 ones you still need to level up to 80...) what would you do then? What would you make you stay subbed until the next raidtier?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

That's the third thread today about the new savage loot system. Seriously?
And no, it's better then the old system.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

I still see people doing both prims farms and learning parties today, and im not saying to liberate content im saying to at least get us 1 piece to make us get more rewards for doing savage.

To answer your question, i play for story, raiding and leveling jobs. If i finish 2 of them I quit till something else appears so yeah If I finish my raiding rewards and story (as I am now) i quit till next raid or story appears.
By doing what I say i would play and gear a lot more classes making raiding longer (running a lot more that just 2 hours a week)

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Sorry dont know how to edit on phone

That's the third thread today about the new savage loot system. Seriously?
And no, it's better then the old system.

I think the same, this system is a lot better than the old one, when did I said something different?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I think the same, this system is a lot better than the old one, when did I said something different?

I was just answering the question "Savage loot system. Should be changed?" "No, it's better then the old system."