Speed Run + Timer

[jwang]

Compromise for people who don't like speed runs and people who do like them: 2 different "5th chest" with different loot tables. You can either take in the scenery and find every minor detail to get, but will force you to waste time and fail time attack by the design of the dungeon (such as a bonus boss that takes a good 10 minutes to wear down or require several fights in the dungeon and takes you far away from the location of the regular boss), or you can rush to final boss for the time attack chest. Trying to go for both will only punish you, such as having a buff up on both bosses making them impossible to kill, or just simple output of damage taken/healing done/damage dealt will cause you to fail time attack objective due to the speed you can whittle down both bosses at the same time.

[Stanislaw]

Compromise for people who don't like speed runs and people who do like them: 2 different "5th chest" with different loot tables. You can either take in the scenery and find every minor detail to get, but will force you to waste time and fail time attack by the design of the dungeon (such as a bonus boss that takes a good 10 minutes to wear down or require several fights in the dungeon and takes you far away from the location of the regular boss), or you can rush to final boss for the time attack chest. Trying to go for both will only punish you, such as having a buff up on both bosses making them impossible to kill, or just simple output of damage taken/healing done/damage dealt will cause you to fail time attack objective due to the speed you can whittle down both bosses at the same time.

Doesn't solve the problem because people will:

a.) complain there's different loot in different chests
b.) complain there's different loot in speed run chests (still)

I'm sure the people who only care for the 5 chest achievement are in the minority and most only care about the loot.

Also, I'm not sure if I understand the 'take your time and enjoy the scenery' argument. It's only valid for the first couple of rounds, but after that it really becomes a moot point after you run through the raids over and over again. Of course, then the argument becomes that they shouldn't make the drop rates so horrid, but if SE decides to ramp up drop rates so people can get everything in just a few runs before the scenery gets old, then people will be left with nothing to do, which then becomes ANOTHER complaint, and so on and so forth.

It just never ends, does it?