Speed Run + Timer

[Nexxus]

here a post i made on a thread,

And please... no more speed run thingy... i can't play anymore the job i used to main because of speed run everytime... =)

Speed run + Timer, is fun, but it make you play a job you doesn't want to, because you have to optimize your party setup.

So yeah... more boss, more path, more strategy, no more timer, no more speed run chest. please please please ^^.

And i want to make a thread about it, because i think it is important for the futur of the game.

As i was speaking about it with some friends they were all agree, speed run is killing the jobs system.

You'd better go with an army of blm a brd, a whm and a war tank, because it's part of optimisation.

But all we want is to play the jobs we like the most.

Speed Run is a part of a game actually, once you reach that part and you succefull the dungeon within the time limit, there's no excuse to not doing it again, and again, and again, and you'll no longer be able to use your paladin or lancer (unless you're not doing a speed run, but why ?).


Having no timer, no speed run chest.
Change each chest at the end of the dungeon by a tough boss that drop the same as the chest, taking our time to travel the dungeon, make them biggers.

I did like the how to deal with coincutter as monk, and found it funny, but if we have to do a speed run, i can no longer do it as mnk, brd or blm is the way to go there until i can finally switch to mnk for the mistress but... everyone is mnk now, i feel like i was copy/paste and lost some unique(ness) to the job i love the most.

let us taking our time finishing the dungeon, optimisation should only be strategy and gears, not jobs.

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So, who's really think Speed Run should no longer be in the game ?

[Chardrizard]

You can speedrun just fine with any job.

Does class stacking makes it easier? sure, it will be more optimized.
but winning speedrun with mix jobs is part of the challenge.

[Orophin]

Problem is, most linkshells are going to force you to come on a certain class/job for speed run or they won't bring you. Just based on my experience anyway.

[Nexxus]

You'd better get the best chance you can for your first speed run, as i said, army of blm, then army of ... whatever.

Once you done it fine with thoses, there's no reason to switch class, if you try a different way, you could miss the speed run, and lose the 5th coffer.

It is possible to do it with different class , but you won't do it, because you dont want to try, you prefer to do it with the strategy you know the best.

It is sad, but, it's how the (us) people work.

It's all because of the timer, be the fastest as you can, only a blm can aoe burst everything like hell.

[Zahak]

Mobs need to be stronger in dungeons...blm can take them out before I get tp for doomspike

[Chardrizard]

The point is it's possible to do, it's completely another thing if PEOPLE decide not to do it.

[Amsai]

The point is it's possible to do, it's completely another thing if PEOPLE decide not to do it.

Sorry Char, but thats a BS argument. The challenge of the dungeon should be the dungeon, not finding people tollerant of letting people go as what they want. Now should that necessarily mean that they should get rid of timed dungeons? Thats the debateable part, but in truth I would like to see a little more variety in 2.0 including non-timed, or highly trapped/puzzled, and multiple path dungeons.

But there are other ways to fix class stacking. They could either force lock, 1 of every class and then one person could be a second whatever class (in the future when more classes released 8 different classes force locked); or they could use positive or negative reinforcement to deal with class stacking. Such as deminishing returns that double triple etc etc with each duplicate job in the party (my personal fav, in your faces black mages. Or they could go with positive reinforcement which would leave the benefits of class stacking alone, but gain a bonus on all stats that increase with each different class in the party (so 8 man of all different classes would get a signifiant bonus to atk/matk/acc/macc/eva/HPs/MPs/critatk/etc/etc)

I would be ok with any of the above 3 methods of dealing with class stacking, because honestly is just a bunch of cheap (but unfortunately effective) BS. So yes I am in favor of SE forcing diverse set ups, or greatly penalizing those that want to class stack, and if you dont like that then it just proves that people that want to class stack want things the easy way. Which in my opinion is wrong.

Luckily im in a LS that doesnt care what people go as, as long as we have any healer and any tank, the rest can come to events as they please. Does this cause us a bit of trouble and frustration sometimes? Yes, but its rewarding in that we can beat things with out class stacking (even if behind other LSs) and dont alienate LS members that dont have X class or force LS member Y to go as a class they dont want to go as.

[Nexxus]

Is it possible yes, you probably right, but the time someone figure it out how (I mean a party setup with each class in the group), ppl will get bored of doing the dungeon or a new one has been released. Actually, i'm bored of dungeon, we doing speed run with blm x3~4, war, whm x2, and i don't think we would come back to the "first try" of the dungeon with another setup, i had enough of the news dungeons, i wan't the reward now, that's the only thing that keep me doing it.

[Nilheim]

I think doing a speed run should be something you get an achievement for (like it is now) but I also think it's quite stupid to make people do it everytime to get a full clear. I'm sure they could find another, funner way for us to get that 5th chest. I like taking my time and doing things without being stressed or whatever. Not to mention the best drops come from that 5th chest, so you really feel compelled to do it everytime.

[Jinko]

I would agree remove speed runs and make it more about skill and team work.

Edit:- I also agree with the above, make an achievement for speed runs, in FFXI you could see who completed a boss fight the fastest after killing them.

Wouldn't take much for SE to make a web page to display a list of fastest kills for each boss on each server.