SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[waifugenerator]

I still want the Warring Triad egi's they teased in the 4.0 job quests

[OvernightSiren]

I still want the Warring Triad egi's they teased in the 4.0 job quests

I didn't see those egis? Do you have a screenshot?

[reivaxe]

Completly reworking the job is what I personaly want to see.

Get rid of the dots and Fester and give it all to Scholar or a new dot focused job.
Get rid of the chicken nuggets and have us every 30/60 seconds a demi out.

We really don't need to have constantly a summon/pet out. Since they still struggle with the pet AI, just remove the pet part of job. Summons in other FFs were mostly only for a short while on the field, so it would still be a Summoner.

Pretty much this.

You can balance a dot mage ... if you separate it from all the other gunk that this "FF14 Smn" that makes it hard to balance. A new Mage DPS that focuses on dots would be a great kick off for a Smn rework that takes away dots. As for Egis, it seems very much like they want to move away from the pet system as is and focus on a trance system so I think that's the way it's gonna go.

Always been my reason for thinking why they keep talking about the egi glam system but wont release it. If they're gonna rework smn so that egis are different/ more like trances then it makes sense to not reveal or release or even talk about the new egi-glam system.

[SpiralMask]

I didn't see those egis? Do you have a screenshot?

at the very least we actually fight against several sephirot-egi on our way to allagan ghostman in the penultimate and final quests for that stretch (the 68 and 70 quests, iirc) in the game itself. personally i dont recall the teasers waifugenerator's talking about, but as long ago as that was i could easily have missed it or not remembered, and would love to see any info as well (tmk the only egi's yoshi's spoken about personally were about leviathan and ramuh as possible egi/egi glams down the line)

[SweetPete]

It's been years, not months, years.... They've had years to have a dev sit down and make new egi glamours. The job has been vastly improved since carby glamours hit the stage. Egi's where apart of the game in 2013, 2017 when egi glamour came out, and 2020. Clearly they've had plenty of time to remove Egis and piss on the fan base. In fact the biggest complaint about Egi over the years hasn't been gameplay but cosmetics; feel free to do the research yourself. New Egi design would quiet 3/4 of the post regarding removing Egis.

I don’t mind more egi glamours but I don’t want some crappy small glamours. I want them to look like smaller versions of actual primals. Why won’t SE just do this? That’s what most people want anyway. The day we finally summoned Demi-Bahamut was when egis went out the window. Just let us glam our egis into actual primals. Small versions. Most of the community will be so happy with this.

[Exodus-E]

I still want the Warring Triad egi's they teased in the 4.0 job quests

At this point, I'd settle for the remaining ARR ones (i.e. Good King Moggle Mog XII, Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva).
But yeah, it'd be nice if we could get Egis from the Warring Triad as well.

In any case, we're way overdue for an UI window for managing our current (and future?) Egi glamours + Demi-Bahamut/Demi-Phoenix sizes.
Which is weird, considering how QoL-heavy Patch 5.3 ended up being...

(on a side note, I'm kind of holding out hope that Alphinaud changes classes to SMN in the near-future and manages to summon Shiva-Egi...)

[Atamis]

Because glamouring a pet is a good sign the system isn't healthy as the pet itself doesn't matter anymore.
Egis from day 1 have had a lukewarm to bad reception as they poorly represent their intended summons, and look like a plahdoh reject and many people (including myself) are dissapointed in the living dot aspect the class has thanks to the Egis.
Pheonix and Bahamut are where i think SE plan to take the class and completely phase out the Egi.

[MartaDemireux]

At this point I really want the egis to go away and the demi system expanded on. Have one demi path for AoE and one demi path for ST.

Carbuncle could be the initial demi that starts the ramp up to Bahamut (AoE) and Phoenix (ST). There could be a midway demi for each path as well. Perhaps there could be 3 midway demis per path (grouped by umbral and astral elements) and which one you summon is randomly pulled from available summons (ST (Garuda/Ramuh/Ifrit) VS AoE (Titan/Leviathan/Shiva)) and just visually different like how Eos and Selene are now. Or perhaps go all out on the demi system and go Carbuncle > Ifrit > Garuda > Ramuh > Phoenix / Carbuncle > Titan > Leviathan > Shiva > Bahamut.

But of course all demis would need demi appropriate appearances. And Carbuncle glamours could stay the same or go the way of Eos/Selene and have 3 spells where you only set one of them to bar.

I'd also like their core kit reworked to feature non-core primal animations. Like Odin could come and do Festers attack equivalent. GKMM could be Banes equivalent. Etc.

[Exodus-E]

Because glamouring a pet is a good sign the system isn't healthy as the pet itself doesn't matter anymore.

I disagree.
Especially since what you said implies that every single pet has to possess an unique niche to fulfill.
And given how many Primals/Eikons there are in-game (to make Egis/Trances/Demis out of), that's just unrealistic.

On a fundamental level, we are already covered when it comes to pet "roles" (a "Caster", a "Support" and an "Attacker").
So what we really need (and we're missing) are the remaining ones we've been waiting for since ARR, which they could be implemented through glamouring.

At this point I really want the egis to go away and the demi system expanded on.

Hard disagree on removing Egis.
I still think they have a place in this game, and ShB proved that with some further tweaking it can be done.

Expanding on the Trance/Demi system is good, though.

And Carbuncle glamours could stay the same or go the way of Eos/Selene and have 3 spells where you only set one of them to bar.

That'd be unnecessary clutter.
Something that a dedicated (glamour-based) UI window would be able to handle instead.

[Atamis]

I disagree.
Especially since what you said implies that every single pet has to possess an unique niche to fulfill.
And given how many Primals/Eikons there are in-game (to make Egis/Trances/Demis out of), that's just unrealistic.

On a fundamental level, we are already covered when it comes to pet "roles" (a "Caster", a "Support" and an "Attacker").
So what we really need (and we're missing) are the remaining ones we've been waiting for since ARR, which they could be implemented through glamouring.

Thats exactly what a pet class entails. Every single summon in the history of forever has followed those rules. Be it Healing, elemental damage, or a buff. They were not the same flavor with a different coloring added.
Many core systems have been lost along the way that could enable such a rich and deep summon system, like the elemental wheel for relevant damage. Dumbing it down further will improve nothing. I would rather scrap the egis entirely as they add nothing beneficial to the class. They serve no purpose except to add a delay between pressing assault and when the actual ability gets triggered and the buff gained. Changing their color will not fix this. Having a Summoner resorting to glamour for a false sense of summoning just tells me the class has failed its source material. That summons have been reduced to what style of underwear you want to wear.

I would rather return to the core concept of a summon. Replace physic with summon Faery (barrow Eos if you will) to do an aoe heal at target location. Long cast, long cooldown. big heal. Every ability can get this treatment. RDM can be the machine gun caster, BLM can be the middle ground, and SMN can be the artillary.
Or embrace the trance aspect they have going. No other FF does that style of summoning and it could be very interesting if they clean up the pet AI.

They have zero reason to divert resources into making more lumpy chicken nuggets for a pet that has been problematic from the start. I don't even want to be against the ideal of class glamours. Replacing Ifrit with Revana sounds trivial, but replacing titan for mog or bismark for garuda? Is this what summoner has been reduced to? Having summons be completely inconsequential and irrelevant? Does that really do the summoner legacy justice? Why even bother with summon at all then? Just give us the allagan companion cubes and be done with it.