SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[Lauront]

I think a smart way to re-do summoner while removing the egis would be to sort of change the aestehtics of all of Summoner's abilities and make them all more akin to how Yuna's abilities are themed in Dissidia/Dissidia NT.

So for example instead of "BIO" as a DoT and poison based abilities, Summoner's dots could be called "Hellfire" and have the animation for it be a quick flash of Ifrit-egi or like Ifrit's head/a shadow of Ifrit's head (like how SMN's Akh Morn was just a Bahamut head above them back in HW before they got Demi-Bahamut). They could do similar things for their other abilities. Their two DoTs could be one based on Ifrit as a burning over time effect and the other based on Shiva to be sort of a frostbite effect, etc. etc. Idk, food for thought for the devs. It's clear they don't want the job to be pet based as it steps further away from that, but I feel like doing it this way would be the only way to make the job not pet-based while also feeling like it has any connection to the summons in the game.

Turning the egis into a stance that triggers different animations and effects for certain spells could work. This is already baked into the notion of the demi-egis, to a degree, and I would not mind seeing such an approach extended and taken further to its logical conclusion. The egis/demi-egis as their own objects come with a load of different hassles and a lack of flexibility.

[HeulGDarian]

Dreadwyrm Trance was the "becoming Primal" option in HW and the reception was... divisive. There's a reason why they gave us the ability to Summon Bahamut in Stormblood.

Wut? Did we even play the same quests? Trance was never the alternative to summoning. The reason Trance exists is cause lore wise we cant summon more than 3 egis, since summoning reqcuires you to bind aether to the primals aspect and our aether is spent on those egis. Trance was literally the mean to be able to summon more, it never was a replacement for bahamut. That we would get bahamut wasnt unexpected. Also Trance was well received back in hw. also to further prove my point, if it was like that why would we get a second one, not to mention if you ask anyone what they like about pheonix theyll say the spell transformations. Thats not pheonixs effect though, its the trances effect.

[Seraphor]

Regardless of what they do with Trances and Demi's, I would still like to have at least one more option for regular egi glamours.
If it's a case of animations, I'd even be ok if they kept them to the same elements.
So Ifrit could be glamoured with a Suzaku egi, Titan with say Sephirot, and Garuda with... Ravana? Bismarck? Byakko? Shinryu?
Or hell, just a single Shinryu Egi glam, that could work for any element.

[Recon1o6]

Something I been wondering is that since

HEAVY SHADOWBRINGERS SPOILER

we got another soul fragment from ardbert, if we could get more egis, since we are aetherically denser, ie we have a larger pool of unbound aether

[Leidolf]

Wut? Did we even play the same quests? Trance was never the alternative to summoning. The reason Trance exists is cause lore wise we cant summon more than 3 egis, since summoning reqcuires you to bind aether to the primals aspect and our aether is spent on those egis. Trance was literally the mean to be able to summon more, it never was a replacement for bahamut. That we would get bahamut wasnt unexpected. Also Trance was well received back in hw. also to further prove my point, if it was like that why would we get a second one, not to mention if you ask anyone what they like about pheonix theyll say the spell transformations. Thats not pheonixs effect though, its the trances effect.

In the lore that's literally the reason. You aether capacity was capped with the egi you had so you couldn't summon Ramuh. Y'shtola's sister then came across the research for Trance from the Allagan's who ran afoul the same issue and got around external summoning by using Trance. She figured since everyone in Eorzea was caked in the aether of Bahamut that going to the place where it was at its peak would be the best way to draw it up since a normal Primal Trance wouldn't likely be sufficient against the lesser Ascian.

[Dyvid]

Wut? Did we even play the same quests? Trance was never the alternative to summoning. The reason Trance exists is cause lore wise we cant summon more than 3 egis, since summoning reqcuires you to bind aether to the primals aspect and our aether is spent on those egis. Trance was literally the mean to be able to summon more, it never was a replacement for bahamut. That we would get bahamut wasnt unexpected. Also Trance was well received back in hw. also to further prove my point, if it was like that why would we get a second one, not to mention if you ask anyone what they like about pheonix theyll say the spell transformations. Thats not pheonixs effect though, its the trances effect.

No, he is exactly right. You can take the lore and flush because it doesn't mean jack. Devs design lore around gameplay, not the other way around and HW they wanted to focus more on the player than the player's pets.

Theyve literally been saying this for six damn years. It's just more bait on the hook to keep the fish interested. I honestly believe there is absolutely ZERO work being done on it, as weve been promised more Egi Glamour since freaking 2.1.

[HeulGDarian]

No, he is exactly right. You can take the lore and flush because it doesn't mean jack. Devs design lore around gameplay, not the other way around and HW they wanted to focus more on the player than the player's pets.

its a video game , story and gameplay are supposed to go hand in hand .you can prefer gameplay over story thats ok, but the story is literally the reasoning behind how the gameplay should be. Youre not the only one dissing on story but i honestly cant comprehend why you people think that doing something without any guidelines will lead to something fun when in reality its like trying to make a huge sentence without knowing what do you want that sentence to say or what people want to hear or even if you went to far.it is hard enough even when you have guidelines, for example my former sentence drags on and on and im sure that halfway through it gets tiring to read due to not having any punctuation marks. how do you think something more complex would be? and furthermore ,why shouldnt I ask for the story to evolve along with the gameplay? its not an one or the other thing, a good story enriches good gameplay and the opposite of that is also true.

[Dyvid]

its a video game , story and gameplay are supposed to go hand in hand .you can prefer gameplay over story thats ok, but the story is literally the reasoning behind how the gameplay should be. Youre not the only one dissing on story but i honestly cant comprehend why you people think that doing something without any guidelines will lead to something fun when in reality its like trying to make a huge sentence without knowing what do you want that sentence to say or what people want to hear or even if you went to far.it is hard enough even when you have guidelines, for example my former sentence drags on and on and im sure that halfway through it gets tiring to read due to not having any punctuation marks. how do you think something more complex would be? and furthermore ,why shouldnt I ask for the story to evolve along with the gameplay? its not an one or the other thing, a good story enriches good gameplay and the opposite of that is also true.

Facts are Facts, they build the gameplay first then have the story team build around it. Don't believe me? You can lookup past interviews yourself. That is how the game is made.

[SpiralMask]

Facts are Facts, they build the gameplay first then have the story team build around it. Don't believe me? You can lookup past interviews yourself. That is how the game is made.

as a sad point of support: let us recall the deep in-depth lore for each AST card on how and why they work that you learn as you go, which is now completely untrue with the "they're all identical" gameplay overhaul of ShB (to say nothing of MCH and it's removed drones)

[MirronTulaxia]

You really can't build a solid game by tying lore and gameplay together rigidly. If gameplay suffers for lore you've made a bad game. It may be a good story, but it's still a bad game. If you're good at integration it may not be obvious that lore takes a backseat to gameplay, but at the end of the day it still needs to work that way.