Anyone reflect on the finality of the Nier raid?

[Atmaweapon510]

It’s not just going to be a one off crossover event. This will be in the game forever. It’s not just a tribute to other final fantasy games like othe alliance raids, this is going to attach Nier to FFXIV at the hip. From now on, when you roll your Alliance roulette, Nier is going to be a possibility. If FFXIV lasts another decade, a crossover will remain a core part of the game.

It’s just weird to think about.

[Harmonea]

Yes, the Nier crossover is joining the FF3 crossover, the FF9 crossover, and the Ivalice crossover in alliance roulette.

Given that context, I have to disagree that it's weird.

"But those are just tributes," you'll say. Yet I really don't think this series will be executed at all differently from the Ivalice trio. The story will stand on its own as something that fits in with FFXIV, and those of us who played Automata will have some familiar sights to chuckle at like the use of their vending machine save points as teleportation gimmicks.

It's only weird to you because you're the one separating it in your head. Play it before you decide whether it feels wrong.

[Raldo]

I got my shock over when they introduced some of the actual FF12/FFT characters into the world of FF14. Now with Nier, I just shrug and accept it.

I'd be more curious to learn about how the legal aspect of how all that worked out. I know SE publishes Nier games, but does that mean they own the IP?

[Allooutrick]

I got my shock over when they introduced some of the actual FF12/FFT characters into the world of FF14. Now with Nier, I just shrug and accept it.

I'd be more curious to learn about how the legal aspect of how all that worked out. I know SE publishes Nier games, but does that mean they own the IP?

It's probably not all too different from getting permission to use Rathalos from Monster Hunter. However that worked.

[Iscah]

I've been bothered by it from the start. Taking a separate game and making it a big part of this one seems a very strange choice, especially in this way that integrates it into the game's lore rather than being a passing crossover that we don't have to worry about. (Even the Rathalos fight - yes it's there and permanent, but we don't need to 'explain' it or count Felynes among Eorzea's spoken races.)

If this is the only non-FF game to get such a major crossover, what makes it so special?

If this is the start of grafting ever more other games into the story or major gameplay elements, the game risks losing its scope of "grand FF crossover" and just becoming an everything-crossover and that seems messy.

[Heliantheae]

It'll delete itself when we finish.

[Atmaweapon510]

Weird doesn't always mean wrong.

Nier: Automata is weird. That doesn't mean it's bad, it's just weird.

[Rasikko]

I just don't get this "company's other game inside of FFXIV" crap SE has been doing. No, it's not gonna make me go out and buy it.

[Bright-Flower]

I'm expecting a return to ivalice treatment here. IE, not a direct crossover in that we go to the 'Nier Universe' but rather them adapting Automata into FFXIV, a separate version of the story famliar for players of Automata but not 100% following the original story. The CT and RtI raids certainly had famliar faces and events, but were also distinctly NOT the 'same' as their original games. I'm expecting it to happen here too. I don't expect to to feel weird really. I mean sure it's sci fi but after the Alexander and Omega normal mode raids, I don't expect it to feel out of place.

Yes, the Nier crossover is joining the FF3 crossover, the FF9 crossover, and the Ivalice crossover in alliance roulette.

Given that context, I have to disagree that it's weird.

"But those are just tributes," you'll say. Yet I really don't think this series will be executed at all differently from the Ivalice trio. The story will stand on its own as something that fits in with FFXIV, and those of us who played Automata will have some familiar sights to chuckle at like the use of their vending machine save points as teleportation gimmicks.

It's only weird to you because you're the one separating it in your head. Play it before you decide whether it feels wrong.

Wait, what FF9 crossover? I may have missed a reference but I thought Dun Scaithe was, aside from having some familair bosses like Ozma and Diabolos, not directly based off another game?

[Bright-Flower]

I got my shock over when they introduced some of the actual FF12/FFT characters into the world of FF14. Now with Nier, I just shrug and accept it.

I'd be more curious to learn about how the legal aspect of how all that worked out. I know SE publishes Nier games, but does that mean they own the IP?

I believe that yes SE does own the Nier franchise. Heck Nier is connected to Drakengard and they made Drakengard 2 without the involvement of Yoko Taro. YT doesn't own the intellectual property rights to the game.