Thread: Astro changes 5.1

Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Just because it's fun for "you" doesn't mean it's the right way it should be. Destroying it's lore to fit your kind of game play shouldn't be the case. You may find it fun but I promise you, people who played the class more appreciated it's style of game play regardless of it's RNG of the cards. Many people feel this is the wrong way this class should be and you know something? They're right. RNG is not a flawed mechanic, that's how MMORPG's are. This entire month of gameplay I've seen about 6 astro players out of the hundreds of WHM, SCH's. Let that sink in with all the negative feedback we as a healer community express our disapproval of this card system.

Considering Astro is now pulling the highest rDPS of all three healers—by a 400-500 margin, no less—yet remains the least played healer in Savage by a landslide. It goes without saying the changes have been a complete flop. We'll see if this persists going into 5.2 but so far... very few people like the changes.

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

Thanks for the misquote. The point I was making was the fact that 5.0 is what made me switch from SCH to AST because I prefer the way AST plays now. AST is consistent and therefore it's fun for me now. Perhaps my error was not saying that there are other reasons I prefer AST besides the cards being more consistant? Such as AST's unlimited weave space and the fact that it's now the busiest of the healers gameplay wise, and that I find the Card into Divination loop far more engaging then fire and forgetting Chain.

And the fun part? I still do infact play SCH on occasion. But god forbid someone play multiple healers I'm a game where you can be multiple classes on the same character. But because of how AST has changed in 5.0 it's my preferred one now. My condolences if that makes you think I'm one of the people who ruined your class for you.

No problem happy to ^^ , makes it easy to get more info out of people afterall :P

But the context is still there you didn't want to deal with AST pre 5.0 because it was too rng well that barely changed still plenty of rng on AST what with only 24% chance for 3 seal divination in 3 draws, with no redraws, so still more than 3/4 of the time you will need to fish. Everything being damage is nice but it has no flavor, no energy, no fun, no high on winning that lucky draw anymore.

Also shocking news i play all 3 healers even now, i know invested in all healers but have a preference for 1 the horror, the horror, yet that one was changed after 4 years of being nice to play, dun, dun, dun, so i'm unhappy and voicing for c-c-c-c-change /swoon :O

So for those who advocate the illusion of choice mentality,
Dnc has an illusion of choice
Old AST card system was not an illusion of choice
How do they differ? well i'll explain.

Dnc's illusion of choices are 1 step standard and 1,2,3 step technical, why would you do these at any point, they are options you can do but are functionally worthless, they are less potency by a good amount and not really worth the gcd loss to do especially technical step as you always want it up for boss being there.

How does old AST differ?
Bole - reduced dmg unpredictable but can be used during mass pulls reducing stress on you
Ewer- unpredictable extra mp regen (how many AST's currently feel the sting of mp presevation now) certainly useful when mass rezzes are needed or your co-healer just died.
Arrow- speed up, unpredictable, mighty handy for jobs like sam/war/blm/whm less so for others
Spear-Crit up unpredictable, always useful(especially brd/mnk)
Balance- Dmg up, unpredictable, always useful
Spire- tp regen, unpredictable, very useful in HW near useless in SB unless melee/tank suffered multiple deaths in a short duration.
Lord - Ogcd dmg , unpredictable, always useful
Lady - Ogcd heal, unpredictable, somewhat useful as other than ED this severely helped with Drk's living dead while allowing you to still dps or just extra heal power in dps mode.

So while there are clear favorites that people want, only Spire was near functionally worthless and in SB only due to tp changes that came with the expansion, this whole balance was the only card is wrong it wasn't balance couldn't function without its counterparts in the deck, what illusion of choice was there every card had a use if you couldn't handle deciding on the fly what buff was best on whom AST was not the healer for you, still not, but dear god do i miss those other flavors they certainly kept the monotonous gameplay at bay longer.

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

I'm just stating the obvious. Why play a class and intentionally use one of its mechanics suboptimally simply because you dont like it? It sounds like the kind of thing an ice mage would do?

i guess u didn't understand my warning to another poster about it so allow me to enlighten you.

you wish those changes to stay and believe they are a good thing so what makes it true that they are good? people sticking to AST and not switching to another class cause those changes ruined the job they love.
so not only most healers probably left AST because of those changes but you actually try to convince those that stayed out of loyalty and love to the job who hate the changes leave it as well.
it will only strengthen our points and will advocate the fact that SE need to make a different system or return the old one back. it is simple as that but if you can't see it then pls continue driving more people away from AST to the point that you will probably be the only one left playing it .

Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

i guess u didn't understand my warning to another poster about it so allow me to enlighten you.

you wish those changes to stay and believe they are a good thing so what makes it true that they are good? people sticking to AST and not switching to another class cause those changes ruined the job they love.
so not only most healers probably left AST because of those changes but you actually try to convince those that stayed out of loyalty and love to the job who hate the changes leave it as well.
it will only strengthen our points and will advocate the fact that SE need to make a different system or return the old one back. it is simple as that but if you can't see it then pls continue driving more people away from AST to the point that you will probably be the only one left playing it .

TLDR, it's bowmage. There were people who liked it, but the playstyle change ended up being a major turn-off. Including, stuff like whatever Brandedblade is like doing right now