Minimum ilvl requirement added to 3.x and 4.x leveling dungeons, and...

[Fynlar]

I like how you had this at the ready. Truly, out of anyone here, you win this horse. This old, dead, beat-up horse. /thumbsup.

I didn't have it totally ready; I had to do a search on the forum for all threads with Abania in the name (easy enough), then dig through the majority of the thread to find that particular post (not as easy; I thought the post was made much later in the thread when it's actually relatively early on, so that wasted a lot of searching time)

But yes, there was so much opposition in the thread that I wasn't about to forget about it anytime soon.

Also when people say dungeons are nerfed or something, I think they might mean the potency boosts Jobs have received in Shadowbringers (and more in 5.1), as well as the death of TP. Hell, having DNC in the group seems to make trash drop faster.

That's fair enough with regard to player damage output. (Still wouldn't say that's necessarily the same thing as nerfing 4-man dungeons; that's a game-wide thing.) But still, most of the arguments seem to be talking about how much more (supposedly) difficult it is just to survive in dungeons like Abania in i270 gear (most were specifically citing tanks and how badly they (supposedly) get wrecked in that dungeon at that gear level) which is not really something that I feel was noticeably changed with Shadowbringers. Our killing ability (particularly with regard to AoE) has improved, sure, but I wouldn't say our ability to survive pulls and Ketu Slash and whatnot has similarly improved; that still needs to be handled with pretty much the same level of care as before.

[RyuSaarva]

last expansion highest item level -10 is more than enough to beat all next expansion levelling content.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Now if only they made the dungeons give out Tomestones of Poetics to ensure people can get the lvl 50/60/70 gear and get it upgraded to meet the ilvl requirements.

[Deceptus]

Now if only they made the dungeons give out Tomestones of Poetics to ensure people can get the lvl 50/60/70 gear and get it upgraded to meet the ilvl requirements.

Poetics fly at you at a breakneck speed. I was constantly capping while leveling.

You can realistically wear Aug 70 stuff until you hit the upgrades at 77/78.

Its not like SB was where you hit Bardams and if the tank is still wearing Aug shire, you wanted to throw them off a cliff due to the armor and vit difference.

Yeah, skilled tanks arent the ones running around in last expansions gear when you're forced to take 2 full leftside upgrades through the MSQ by that point.

Pretty much agreed, the defense gain is nothing in ShB like it was in SB.

[Barraind]

Actually the jump from 270 to 273 gear is pretty significant, it's around +200 defence for a tank, something along those lines.
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You can realistically wear Aug 70 stuff until you hit the upgrades at 77/78.

Its not like SB was where you hit Bardams and if the tank is still wearing Aug shire, you wanted to throw them off a cliff due to the armor and vit difference.

Abania was always trivially easy to do in 270 if both the tank & the healer were skilled.

Yeah, skilled tanks arent the ones running around in last expansions gear in SB when you're forced to take 2 full leftside upgrades through the MSQ by that point.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Yeah, skilled tanks arent the ones running around in last expansions gear in SB when you're forced to take 2 full leftside upgrades through the MSQ by that point.

They are if they don't have any poetics because they spent it all getting augmented shire and they're leveling their GNB alts After having levelled their main to 80 in SHB, having long since passed the SB MSQ, meaning MSQ gear isn't an option
Also I wouldn't really call any tank going through the MSQ the first time an 'skilled', given how they're new.

[WhyAmIHere]

SE is finally telling players "We expect you to do a bare minimum of effort," and the players that need to hear that are crying foul.

Ironic.

[MPNZ]

This is a great start, but can they like do this for the ARR dungeons too? I mean, a drk cosplaying in 11 DoM gear is not uncommon to see in totorak and sometimes in stone vigil too...

[RyuSaarva]

This is a great start, but can they like do this for the ARR dungeons too? I mean, a drk cosplaying in 11 DoM gear is not uncommon to see in totorak and sometimes in stone vigil too...

it's fine, they are so easy now that a healer can pull the entire dungeon and also tank.

[Nestama]

They do and with 5.1, even the weapons.