Minimum ilvl requirement added to 3.x and 4.x leveling dungeons, and...

[MariaArvana]

If you're in 260 in castrum you're going to get blown up. I feel sorry for the healer that has to heal you.

In SHB? Hardly. Dungeon's been nerfed on top of the sheer potency changes + substat scalings when syncing down basically eradicating any sense of difficulty if the tank & healer know how to hit their Cooldowns. MY bf ran through the place on his 260 (well, mix of 260 & 270 shire gear, but closer to 260) GNB with me healing when he was leveling. It was such a huge breeze; only time it ever got remotely sketch was the final boss, but his buster has always hurt anyway. Even had plenty of time to dps through the dungeon too.

Now if you get both a tank AND a healer that don't know what their OGCDs are I'd be inclined to agree with ya.

[Liam_Harper]

It's basically set so you can run each expansions dungeons in unaugmented tome gear (besides perhaps a ring).

51-59 can be done in basic Ironworks
61-69 can be done in basic Shire
71-79 can be done in basic Scaevan

If they're going to use tome gear as the metric, they could at least bump it so you need the upgraded version in the 59/69/79 dungeon.

[ForteNightshade]

Kind of an empty brag when past leveling dungeons get nerfed. But I guess you need those small victories wherever you might find them...

[Fynlar]

If you're in 260 in castrum you're going to get blown up. I feel sorry for the healer that has to heal you.

Clearly SE disagrees with you, or they wouldn't have assigned that as the minimum ilvl.

260 in Castrum Abania? 270 starts to show its limitations in Bardam's Mettle, let alone Doma Castle.

lol

The dungeon previous to Bardam's Mettle drops 270 gear. It is perfectly valid. The best you can get prior to Bardam's is what, 273 or something? Do you realize how minuscule of a difference that makes compared to 270?

Your issue here with these dungeons isn't the gear, dude.

OP is trying to be cheeky and is basically bringing up an old argument about how an i270 tank in Castrum Abania was super sketchy back during Stormblood’s tenure

I'm so glad you remembered that, at least. It feels like a lot of people here wanted to forget about all that.

(clarification: he thought i270 was fine, but others—mainly people who had healed the dungeon regularly—disagreed)

(clarification clarification: I healed it back then, too, sometimes with tanks that had even less than 270. I was leveling everything. It was still easy. If a tank struggled in this dungeon it was almost always because either they overpulled, they didn't use cds correctly, or both. Can't count the number of times I saw tanks just stand there and bite it to Ketu Slash -- but this even happened to up-to-date tanks, so this was more of an inattentive tank matter than a matter of gear. In fairness it's not always entirely the tank's fault either -- sometimes I would see healers neglect to remove the debuffs that Ketu Slash starts applying, for instance. But hey, now I'm just rehashing pretty much everything I said ages ago so I'll stop now)

It's basically set so you can run each expansions dungeons in unaugmented tome gear (besides perhaps a ring).

51-59 can be done in basic Ironworks
61-69 can be done in basic Shire
71-79 can be done in basic Scaevan

If they're going to use tome gear as the metric, they could at least bump it so you need the upgraded version in the 59/69/79 dungeon.

I'd be totally down with them doing that, particularly because it's really so easy/cheap to augment the gear, it's a useful investment that gives you the most powerful gear available for a particular level cap that other jobs can potentially make use of, and just about the only justification for someone not having done it is them not even realizing that you can.

But still, the fact that they didn't even put 270 on Abania, but 260? It made me chortle. Guffaw, even. Let's say guffaw.

Kind of an empty brag when past leveling dungeons get nerfed. But I guess you need those small victories wherever you might find them...

How was this dungeon nerfed, aside from a greater proportion of players being past said dungeon and therefore knowing the layout/mechanics and probably being maximally geared for it (which isn't actually what being nerfed means, but is nevertheless frequently mistaken for it)? Legitimate question.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm so glad you remembered that, at least. It feels like a lot of people here wanted to forget about all that.

Trust me: some things I’d rather forget about. All this thread really proves to me is that you can’t let a two-year-old argument go...

[ForteNightshade]

Clearly SE disagrees with you, or they wouldn't have assigned that as the minimum ilvl.

Dude, they still think we do baby pulls. Let us never forget Yoshida warning tanks to be careful pulling Xelphatol, arguably the easiest dungeon ever made. Going off what the devs put is... comical.

If a tank struggled in this dungeon it was almost always because either they overpulled

I mean, if we're going back to that two year old argument. You kind of just defeated yourself. Assuming proper CD usage, there was no "overpulling" in Castrum unless the tank and/or healer were rocking Shire gear, which in turn means they were slowing down the run. Your whole beef was that didn't happen back when Stormblood was the relevant expansion. Put simply, if the tank has to do baby pulls to survive, they're undergeared regardless of what the devs think the ilvl should be.

How was this dungeon nerfed, aside from a greater proportion of players being past said dungeon and therefore knowing the layout/mechanics and probably being maximally geared for it (which isn't actually what being nerfed means, but is nevertheless frequently mistaken for it)? Legitimate question.

They've been nerfing baby dungeons for quite some time now. All leveling dungeons from Heavensward were sharply brought down when Stormblood was the main expansion. Considering how easy the latter dungeons have become now that we're on Shadowbringers likely means they did the same thing.

[Fynlar]

All this thread really proves to me is that you can’t let a two-year-old argument go...

That's a very understated way of saying it proved that I was right all alooooooong.

Neener neener, childish gloating, etc.

They've been nerfing baby dungeons for quite some time now. All leveling dungeons from Heavensward were sharply brought down when Stormblood was the main expansion. Considering how easy the latter dungeons have become now that we're on Shadowbringers likely means they did the same thing.

I was wanting more of a specific citing in patch notes or live letters or something of the dungeon being specifically nerfed, not just some general hearsay of "oh, they've ALL been nerfed over time" because that's pretty much what I was getting at above -- content becoming easier over time because the playerbase gets better/stronger is not the same thing as a nerf to the content.

I recall Vault in particular receiving a nerf, but I don't remember anything amounting to nerfs across the board for all leveling dungeons, or anything specifically for Abania. I am fully willing to admit that I've just forgotten/overlooked something in patch notes or something though, so I was hoping someone would have a more explicit source.

[hynaku]

At least now maybe won't get tank in level 60 gear in the level 79 dungeon anymore.

[Crushnight]

At least now maybe won't get tank in level 60 gear in the level 79 dungeon anymore.

That high o_O truly you were blessed

[OrangeCrystarium]

Actually the jump from 270 to 273 gear is pretty significant, it's around +200 defence for a tank, something along those lines.