Thread: SCH nerfed in 5.1

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This isn't a nerf. This is a slight 2s duration buff wrapped in a very oddly worded change that merely adds 2 seconds to Seraph to allow for dealing with the odd "can't immediately cast anything while summoned" thing we've had with her. The Consolation being from 20s to 30s is just as odd, considering I never saw anybody able to get 3 uses of it.

So instead of fixing it so Seraph is able to cast immediately after being summoned they instead added a 2 second delay to being able to use her skills? Forgive me but I fail to see how that is a buff. If anything, at best I would consider that breaking even. It's like if someone put 10 dollars into my bank account vs. putting 12 dollars in my account with a 2 dollar service fee. At the end of the day I'm left with the same amount of money.

Honestly I would consider it a nerf since that's 2 seconds I would be spamming to try to get the ability to activate. When I was actively playing scholar I would either; wait to see what the enemy was casting so I could mitigate it or look for particular markers to mitigate. With this 2 second delay it would be uncomfortable to try to line these up with raid AoE damage.

Originally Posted by vtndll

So instead of fixing it so Seraph is able to cast immediately after being summoned they instead added a 2 second delay to being able to use her skills? Forgive me but I fail to see how that is a buff. If anything, at best I would consider that breaking even. It's like if someone put 10 dollars into my bank account vs. putting 12 dollars in my account with a 2 dollar service fee. At the end of the day I'm left with the same amount of money.

Honestly I would consider it a nerf since that's 2 seconds I would be spamming to try to get the ability to activate. When I was actively playing scholar I would either; wait to see what the enemy was casting so I could mitigate it or look for particular markers to mitigate. With this 2 second delay it would be uncomfortable to try to line these up with raid AoE damage.

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

Originally Posted by Ilenya

Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

I'd imagine it's because Wyrmwave is tied to SMN casting spells. Summoning Bahamut doesn't force the GCD, so SMN could essentially queue up either Ruin 3 or Outburst to be cast as soon as the animation ends, but Bahamut would not Wyrmwave like this; now he will. Serpah isn't an offensive demi so they are not going to work exactly the same way. The way they worked it and worded it is still odd though. However, what is really weird is that Consolation has charges in the first place when it is essentially the Akh Morn/Revelation ability for Seraph.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

We had 20s with her before. The only difference is that sometimes consolation would be delayed because she casted veil when she popped up. Now consolation will always be delayed. In addition to that the veil delayed consolation case can still happen after those 2s (if you don't cast consolation in that 2s window which is a case that can happen when you don't double weave seraph and consolation together).

In this new instance we do get 2s back at the end but honestly we never needed those 2s anyways because of ghosting. I personally give up on any skills under the last 5s of seraph being around. And if I use a seraph skill it's usually times with way more leeway than the additional 2s we'll be getting.

In addition to this, all rotations that required consolation up as soon as seraph was cast (looking at you titan) might need change.

Honestly on a class were pet delays are the bane of our existence I just don't understand why they would add even more delays without some major upside which I have yet to see. Hopefully this change makes sense once the patch hits.