Thread: SCH nerfed in 5.1

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

Originally Posted by Ilenya

Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

We had 20s with her before. The only difference is that sometimes consolation would be delayed because she casted veil when she popped up. Now consolation will always be delayed. In addition to that the veil delayed consolation case can still happen after those 2s (if you don't cast consolation in that 2s window which is a case that can happen when you don't double weave seraph and consolation together).

In this new instance we do get 2s back at the end but honestly we never needed those 2s anyways because of ghosting. I personally give up on any skills under the last 5s of seraph being around. And if I use a seraph skill it's usually times with way more leeway than the additional 2s we'll be getting.

In addition to this, all rotations that required consolation up as soon as seraph was cast (looking at you titan) might need change.

Honestly on a class were pet delays are the bane of our existence I just don't understand why they would add even more delays without some major upside which I have yet to see. Hopefully this change makes sense once the patch hits.

I wish Disspation got this not the Seraph which i didnt really have problems with. Dissipation 'killing' the fairy b4 she casts Whispering Dawn etc (tho still putting them on cd) is soooo annoying.
Otherwise, this patch didnt really move us anywhere, and all our collective issues are still mounting lol. Woo

They're giving Seraph what they did with the Automaton Queen. The MCH rook pre-80 has a 15s duration and starts doing its thing right away. The upgraded version Automaton Queen at level 80 has a longer summoning animation (5s) and they increased the duration of the summon to 20s to account for it. Same duration in the end.

I expected nothing new for SCH at 5.1 so it doesn't surprise me. SE looks so lost with healers jobs, it's just borring to hope something.

Originally Posted by Archeros

I wish Disspation got this not the Seraph which i didnt really have problems with. Dissipation 'killing' the fairy b4 she casts Whispering Dawn etc (tho still putting them on cd) is soooo annoying.
Otherwise, this patch didnt really move us anywhere, and all our collective issues are still mounting lol. Woo

From the change log this doesn’t fix any of the ghosting abilities. Not for seraph either. I think you’re misunderstanding.

Pets have and still somewhat are clunky, and adding a delay to Seraph which eliminates the ability to pop it and get a quick burst heal out are completely unnecessary. I don't understand what is wrong with the devs - why can they never get anything right with healers? Nobody asked for this, or wanted it, or complained about it, and it wasn't needed at all. The only thing Seraph needed was to not disappear if you queue up your final Consolation near the tail end of her leaving, an actual QoL change or something. Even that or casting a Consolation interrupting a Veil cast and simply adding duration to her so she gets the interrupted cast off, or something like that to remove ghosting. Instead you turn an already clunky thing into something more clunky. ?????? Level 80 skill by the way.