Who Thought Adding Difficulty Levels To Instanced Quests Was A Good Idea?

[DevilsDontFly]

I can kind of understand people feeling concerned about this considering the wipefests that still occur during the MSQ trials if you happen to end up mostly with new players.

I'll use the same argument I said on the other thread: MSQ doesn't even tailor itself to your role. You can raise the dificulty levels up to the roof, you still won't be able to perform a healer or tank role properly because everything is set and done with the perspective of a DPS. If the solo instances were actually shaped after whatever role you enter the duty as, then yes, I'd be iffy about making it too easy because people wouldn't learn how to perform their jobs well. But when you have to Malefic spam in a fight in which the only objective is move around, rely on bad AI heals and drop someone's health bar to 0 before a countdown, well, I couldn't care less.

[SerLuke]

If someone from Square Enix came up with this idea, they need to be fired.

Yes, the people who turned this game around from an abysmal financial failure to one of SE’s most successful titles needs to be fired because they made a feature you don’t like.

[Ishgardian]

I can kind of understand people feeling concerned about this considering the wipefests that still occur during the MSQ trials if you happen to end up mostly with new players.

So, you expect new players who do a trial for the very first time to know everything and finish it flawlessly?

[Eli85]

So, you expect new players who do a trial for the very first time to know everything and finish it flawlessly?

If you can't intuit and execute 99% of the mechanics in MSQ trials flawlessly (even on the first try), then you're just not paying attention.

[Mahoukenshi]

If you can't intuit and execute 99% of the mechanics in MSQ trials flawlessly (even on the first try), then you're just not paying attention.

No. Maybe in your own little world that's the case. But no, there are different factors at play, whether someone can understand them or not being a different can of worms btw. Not everyone can handle, for example, dodging multipe/overlapping AoEs combined with the usual ongoing visual clutter as easily as someone else, even after watching a video (where it looks easy enough and probably is in restrospec). And while this problem can indeed be solved, people learn a) at different paces and b) by different means (i.e. watching videos a couple of times or only by actually experiencing the fight x-times).

[Eli85]

No. Maybe in your own little world that's the case. But no, there are different factors at play, whether someone can understand them or not being a different can of worms btw. Not everyone can handle, for example, dodging multipe/overlapping AoEs combined with the usual ongoing visual clutter as easily as someone else, even after watching a video (where it looks easy enough and probably is in restrospec). And while this problem can indeed be solved, people learn a) at different paces and b) by different means (i.e. watching videos a couple of times or only by actually experiencing the fight x-times).

Yes, actually. If you can't handle, "I shouldn't stand in a telegraphed area" while understanding the fight unfolding in front of you, then MMOs are not for you.

The problem is, people like you think that the game is much harder than it actually is, and you give bad players passes for not being competent, when it should be a reasonable expectation. Hit buttons in correct order (not hard) -> don't stand in telegraphed areas -> stack or spread as visual indicators demand. That covers you for 99% of the mechanics you'll see, and it's all extremely simple and easy to process. If any players finds this too hard, you really need to re-think your decision to play video games, or at the very least, with others.

[Ishgardian]

If you can't intuit and execute 99% of the mechanics in MSQ trials flawlessly (even on the first try), then you're just not paying attention.

...paying attention to what exactly? As if the game explains to you all the mechanics immediately and you have no reason to fail Titan at level 30-something as a new player!

People should get off their high horses and realise that what other players do in their SOLO instances is none of their concerns. Besides, with the Trust system in place now there are less opportunities for hardcore meeting casual players.

If it was up to me I would even go as far as to split Duty Finder into "Hardcore" and "Casual" sections and be done with all the forum complains about "bad" vs "elitist" players.

[Eli85]

...paying attention to what exactly? As if the game explains to you all the mechanics immediately and you have no reason to fail Titan at level 30-something as a new player!

People should get off their high horses and realise that what other players do in their SOLO instances is none of their concerns. Besides, with the Trust system in place now there are less opportunities for hardcore meeting casual players.

If it was up to me I would even go as far as to split Duty Finder into "Hardcore" and "Casual" sections and be done with all the forum complains about "bad" vs "elitist" players.

If you can't intuit that telegraph = bad and if I stand in it something bad will happen, I don't know man. If you're not paying attention and discerning that, there are a lot less flattering assessments that can be made. So, yes, the game provides you with enough information, even for a new player. If you choose not to pay attention, to ignore that information, then that's on you.

Not really on a high horse, I just have a basic, low expectation that players, even new players, have some basic problem solving and analytical brain functions. When players—again even new players—cannot use basic brain function to intuit some really obvious mechanics, it's not about elitism; it's about setting and expectation and standing by it. None of which is remotely unreasonable.

[Nedkel]

I can kind of understand people feeling concerned about this considering the wipefests that still occur during the MSQ trials if you happen to end up mostly with new players.

I have never seen any wipe in MSQ, and i did it like 30 times already.
Man i tried to die intentionally in those duties as a tank, it just cant happen.

[Vnolan]

I have never seen any wipe in MSQ, and i did it like 30 times already.
Man i tried to die intentionally in those duties as a tank, it just cant happen.

Nidhogg had wipes because the party had low dps during the add phase and the party was unable to dodge large AoEs or remain stacked.

Tsukuyomi had wipes because the party would be unable to dodge the fans that drop in the Shiva pattern or remain stacked. Would also have a rare wipe from healers standing in front of the MT.

Titania will have wipes because the party has low dps during the add phase, is unable to dodge the Shiva pattern or doesn't stand in the puddles (towers).

Innocence will have wipes because the party doesn't target the tethered add or has low dps.

ShB final boss? Towers.