Do Puppetmasters exist in Ezorea?

[Mhaeric]

We all already have the ability to be puppetmasters to some degree. If you wear the Mammeteer title then you unlock additional actions when interacting with mammet and wind-up minions. The one I remember is:

/handover will make mammets and wind-up minions eat out of your hand

This doesn't work unless you have that title up. I think there were others like this, but can't remember them off the top of my head.

The concept of PUP/MAM definitely already exists in XIV, so it's not a stretch at least in lore terms that a puppetmaster/mammeteer job could be a thing. I too would like PUP/MAM to be in-game since I was a PUP main in XI but I'm not sure how well it could be implemented in XIV.

[Frizze]

/handover will make mammets and wind-up minions eat out of your hand

This doesn't work unless you have that title up. I think there were others like this, but can't remember them off the top of my head.

You dont actually need the title up to have this work. I have never set this one as my title(though i did earn it ages ago) but ive done the feeding(/handover) trick hundreds of times. Works with other peoples minis too. I dont remember if there was a special animation for /pet or not. Several minis will climb up on your shoulder if you /beckon them. Im blanking on any other emotes that have special interaction with minis.

[Cilia]

Gigi (of Hildebrant's story, not the GSM one) was created to provide immortality to its creator, Archmagus Quan, and this was done with the ability to restore things to their ideal state. It failed in the Archmagus' case because Gigi grew to love him and viewed his as ideal already. This also manifested in a couple of ways during the storyline, mostly to do with reversing age and the last manifestion was quite aggressive against the other protagonists although it was ultimately unsuccessful. I would count Archmagus Quan as a mammeteer, and there's lots of room in the lore for other types of mammets with similarly powerful abilities.

Vivi's specific abilities were not time reversal, but the power to put things into what he believes is their "ideal state." Aside from being restored to their physical prime it's implied that Vivi makes the Grand Sers more powerful than they actually were due to their braggadocio.

Either way, the closest thing anyone in Eorzea has to a combat puppet is the MCH's new Automaton Queen.

You dont actually need the title up to have this work. I have never set this one as my title(though i did earn it ages ago) but ive done the feeding(/handover) trick hundreds of times. Works with other peoples minis too. I dont remember if there was a special animation for /pet or not. Several minis will climb up on your shoulder if you /beckon them. Im blanking on any other emotes that have special interaction with minis.

Poking the slime and pudding minions will make them melt, petting certain minions has them do special things (Littlefoot does the stereotypical Yeti chest thumping), specific pairs will attempt to fight each other (Wind-up Magnai and Sadu), etc. None of this requires the Mammeteer title being either earned or displayed.

[MikkoAkure]

You dont actually need the title up to have this work. I have never set this one as my title(though i did earn it ages ago) but ive done the feeding(/handover) trick hundreds of times. Works with other peoples minis too. I dont remember if there was a special animation for /pet or not. Several minis will climb up on your shoulder if you /beckon them. Im blanking on any other emotes that have special interaction with minis.

You can do all that with most minions but you need the mammeteer title equipped to do that with wind-ups. Also, the title being on allows wind-ups to move on their own.

As far as the main topic, I had just remembered somewhere reading that Yoshi isn't a fan of the pet classes. That would make sense with the ACN/SMN/SCH and MCH changes we had for 5.0. At this point I doubt we'll get another pet class.

[Mhaeric]

You dont actually need the title up to have this work. I have never set this one as my title(though i did earn it ages ago) but ive done the feeding(/handover) trick hundreds of times. Works with other peoples minis too. I dont remember if there was a special animation for /pet or not. Several minis will climb up on your shoulder if you /beckon them. Im blanking on any other emotes that have special interaction with minis.

Yes. Yes you do. /handover works all the time on animals, but only works on mammets with the title up. I actually tested it before I posted to make sure.

[Enkidoh]

Minions aren't really a good example though, given only some are actual automatons/robots - a lot of minions are living creatures who have no real sentinence like the Courel Kitten, and some are aetheric entities with their own free will (like Midgardsormr and Anima). So a hypothetical Discipline that uses minions like FFXI PUP uses their automatons.... doesn't really ring that true (Lord of Verminion is simply an in-universe game that at least appears on the surface to be not even 'real' but just a simulation depicted on screens which is what the player character accesses, this is how you can put multiple of a type of minion on the battlefield in it).

Incidentally, I never knew that about the Mammeteer title, that is so awesome! Thank you for that explanation.

[Mhaeric]

Minions aren't really a good example though, given only some are actual automatons/robots

The minions in question are specifically the mammets and wind-ups, which are all actual automatons/robots so it does apply.

No one said anything about PUP using minions. There are just some minions that match what a PUP is already.

[Cilia]

There are mammets and various other machina, but to the best of my knowledge there is nobody in Eorzea that weaponizes them as the idea suggests.

[Mhaeric]

There are mammets and various other machina, but to the best of my knowledge there is nobody in Eorzea that weaponizes them as the idea suggests.

Gigi (of Hildebrant's story, not the GSM one) was created to provide immortality to its creator, Archmagus Quan, and this was done with the ability to restore things to their ideal state. It failed in the Archmagus' case because Gigi grew to love him and viewed his as ideal already. This also manifested in a couple of ways during the storyline, mostly to do with reversing age and the last manifestion was quite aggressive against the other protagonists although it was ultimately unsuccessful. I would count Archmagus Quan as a mammeteer, and there's lots of room in the lore for other types of mammets with similarly powerful abilities.

[MikkoAkure]

It caused me great sorrow in 1.0 when I found out that pugilist would get monk as a job instead of puppetmaster, even though pugilists were tied to the casino, which employed mammets. I still held hope after 2.0 that PUG could split into MNK and PUP like how ACN splits into SMN and SCH, but now Yoshi doesn’t like split jobs. Oh well.