Highly Notorious Monsters

[valetarkus]

I agree, my whole argument is that time should equal progression in a game. (not sitting around waiting, and twiddling thumbs.)

Man I hate twiddling my thunbs. One time. I twiddled so hard my thumbs started bleeding. So...much...blood. Here come the Vietnam-like flashbacks....

[Alhanelem]

In short, you do not have to like windows, but they should be there to keep the balance, you have an alternative... or atleast you did in FF11, what you should be fighting for is making sure an event is released like einherjar (in terms of having the same drops).

Windows have nothing to do with balance- They only served one true puprose, and that was shifting the mob's next spawn time a little so that it wasn't always spawning the same time. But this actually ended up backfiring because the mob ususally spawned in one of the last few windows and the time took to kill it ended up putting the next ToD around the same time in many cases. No spawn windows would actually be better than spawn windows for this purpose, the only difference is the mob's spawn time moves later each time instead of earlier- but the end effect is basically the same.

throughout this recent, I've also been making the generous assumption that nobody is cheating. FFXI's model for most HNM spawns greatly promoted cheating. Lots of people did it, because nobody wants to lose a pull and wait another day or however long it takes to get another chance. It became so common that it was more like a disadvantage if you refused to cheat than an advantage if you did.

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My point.

Lol, you'd have to make one first!

You were talking about windowed content.. That has everything to do with previous arguements.. So your telling me your another person who has no clue what they're even posting..

Just because you can't defend your argument, doesn't mean it went over anyone's head there bud.

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But this actually ended up backfiring because the mob ususally spawned in one of the last few windows and the time took to kill it ended up putting the next ToD around the same time in many cases.

Come on now, seriously you are just grasping at straws now... "Mobs usually spawned in the last few windows".. If that ain't the biggest BS claim yet.. You can't even remotely back that up even IF your only talking about your server. This from the guy who said earlier "you don't even need to get the ToD, you could usually just tell from what the other ppl around you were doing..". The HATE is STRONG with you young sir. No use continuing to discuss this with you.

[Alhanelem]

Come on now, seriously you are just grasping at straws now... "Mobs usually spawned in the last few windows".. If that ain't the biggest BS claim yet.. You can't even remotely back that up even IF your only talking about your server. This from the guy who said earlier "you don't even need to get the ToD, you could usually just tell from what the other ppl around you were doing..". The HATE is STRONG with you young sir. No use continuing to discuss this with you.

Actually, quite a few people have liked my posts. It's more like the hate is strong with YOU, you're only one here hating on me.

We don't need dated mechanics to have world bosses. We don't need to sit on our asses for hours to deserve rare drops. We can achieve fun, challenging content that gives us that OMG SHINY! charge and the thrill of the fight without any of this nonsense. People who like this only like it because they dont' mind wasting the time and their mindset is "well, if nobody else wants to put up with it, that just increases my chances, so I'm all for it!"

Also, lol @ "young sir." You don't know how old I am. The prejudice is strong with you, my friend.

Spawn windows waste people's time for no good reason, and greatly promote cheating. I've yet to be convinced of a single good quality to them. If you want to compete against people so badly, that's what PvP is for. PvE is supposed to be about cooperation.

@Jeronlmo above: I'm not proposing that people unable to play the game for more than an hour or two be able to get the same amount of rewards. I'm only proposing that we make HNMs less about waiting and more about playing. I'd like to spend all 8 of the hours i might play in a day actually playing, rather than spending almost half of those hours standing around waiting for the final pop window where the NM inevitably pops most of the time.

The wait time is a deterrent to participation, and that's exactly why the advocates in this thread want it- It means they have less competition. There is really no other reason to want it.

A variation on lottery spawns (where it's not just one placeholder mob) would be a lot more interesting than just timed spawn windows. Make people work for their HNM spawn. That would at least make the time spent before the pop more interesting. E.g. you have to kill a random number of the evil boss's lackeys to draw the evil boss out of hiding.

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I'll not pay anything you have to say regarding this topic any mind, but that's only cause I know we won't come to any understanding on it.

A like to a post says nothing of the context of the post, come on, you should know that.

And 'young sir' wasn't meant with negative connotation (hence the sir), you had mentioned earlier that you just go to school for a couple hours a day not working with alot of free time on your hands. I took that to mean you are a student with no other major obligations to take care of (rent, family, bills, etc). I'm not sure how you then stretched me referring to you as young sir a prejudice, but whatever, I'm sure you take anything I say in a negative manner..

[Alhanelem]

I'll not pay anything you have to say regarding this topic any mind, but that's only cause I know we won't come to any understanding on it.

Then don't respond at all, instead of informing me of your intent not to grant me any courtesy.

A like to a post says nothing of the context of the post, come on, you should know that.

Nor does it mean people hate it either. You come out here and declare with no input from others that people hate me and hate me strongly. Besides being rude and insulting, it's also wrong.

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Then don't respond at all, instead of informing me of your intent not to grant me any courtesy.

Nor does it mean people hate it either. You come out here and declare with no input from others that people hate me and hate me strongly. Besides being rude and insulting, it's also wrong.

Whoa reading comprehension..

The HATE I was referring to is your obvious hate for the window system, I never said anyone liked or hated you sir. Sorry you took that the wrong way.

And as I said but again you are confused (or just like putting words in others mouth), I am discontinuing the this topic (windowed HNM) with you, but can and will respond to other issues brought up by you or anyone else as I see fit.

[Alhanelem]

Whoa reading comprehension..

The HATE I was referring to is your obvious hate for the window system, I never said anyone liked or hated you sir. Sorry you took that the wrong way.

And you flame me again. This isn't a matter of reading comprehension. I'm not "confused," nor am I putting anything in anyone's mouth.

For me the spawn window concept is the whole reason FFXI HNMs were flawed. I even offered a reasonable solution that encourages user activity (rather than requires that we busy ourselves to not be bored) but since you've gone into ignore mode you didn't notice. You will either respond to me with civility or not respond to me at all. Anything else would constitute hypocrisy since spawn windows are my primary issue with the system and you don't want to talk about it.

You're right that I hate the window system. I hate it because it's completely unfun. it overshadows the whole HNM experience of fighting the mob and getting the drop. Why can't we make it so doing something is part of making the HNM show up, rather than something we force ourselves to do so that the time spent waiting doesn't feel like a waste?

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And you flame me again. This isn't a matter of reading comprehension. I'm not "confused," nor am I putting anything in anyone's mouth.

For me the spawn window concept is the whole reason FFXI HNMs were flawed. I even offered a reasonable solution that encourages user activity (rather than requires that we busy ourselves to not be bored) but since you've gone into ignore mode you didn't notice. You will either respond to me with civility or not respond to me at all. Anything else would constitute hypocrisy since spawn windows are my primary issue with the system and you don't want to talk about it.

Comprehension: thorough understanding.

You obviously did not thoroughly understand what you originally read, as you claimed I "declared" that people "hate you and hate you strongly". Pointing out reading comprehension was not meant to offend but to point out first and formost that you misunderstood what you read in my post. Yet, of course, you'll take it as a "flame" even though I apologized for YOU taking it the wrong way, which I didn't even have to do..

As I just said b4:

but whatever, I'm sure you take anything I say in a negative manner..