Quote Originally Posted by Jeronlmo View Post
This is 100% your take on gaming, the casual take on it, which is fine, but accept what you are and be happy with it. For me and many others, gaming is about a challenge, and I have fun by being challenged. The only people that gaming "replaces" real life for are RPers and anyone at all who has ever claimed "immersion matters". The fact that you need to and in fact can "escape from reality" means your somewhat a RPer even if you do not RP with people... it goes into some kind of insanity I cannot imagine to suddenly believe the game is real.

Every other mmo out there (wow, rift, aion, gw... ect) has the "not forgetting family, friends, job, etc" BS because its mandated by law that they do so or they would be liable for crazy people who die at their computers. Now lets take wow... casual homeland, people still play alot, even though the raids in wow have week long lockouts, and theres virtually nothing worth doing... ever. Fact is, theres crazy people in the world and in every MMO, the fact that a few may have existed in FF11 means nothing except that youve been grasping at straws.

I have played a LOT of MMOs, (WOW, rift, GW, GW2, FFXI, FFXIV, DUCO, Planetside 1 and 2, STO, SWTOR, Earth and Beyond, Age of Conan, Anarchy Online, Champions Online, COH/V, etc etc etc) and Square is the only one I have seen to prominently place that statement, about life and family, in their game. Rest were hidden within the manual or in an agreement that people speedily hit 'agree' to (If it is as you say, I would like a screen source). So, that being said, you didn't understand the post you quoted at all and I am not going to bother repeating it, because it is in layman's terms.

The great thing about your posted responses to me is that others I have been talking with, that agree with what you want, understand my side, and we have at least come to some sort of understanding and agreement about the things you are quoting.

I am sorry if you are so conceited that you can't see what I am talking about. So I am going to try and explain this one more time, if you don't get it, then I am not going to bother with you anymore.

1. When I said those that work more hours than those that don't deserve the same chance, I meant it. YES, I agree that more time in game equates to more chances, but that only holds true if the opportunities are there. (Which I am advocating more opportunities.)

2. You really didn't understand my analogy at all...so lets translate his analogy into game terms: "That's like if we worked the same job but I worked 8 hours a day and you only had to work 2 hours a day but we get the same pay. "

Reworked: "That's like if we played the same game but I played 8 hours a day and you only played 2 hours a day, but we get the same gear."

So, I can do in 2 hours what you can do in 8? Wouldn't you have more gear in 8 hours because you can move on to other things faster than I can?! /gasp

The analogy doesn't work.

3. "The chances are always there for you if you log on more, you just refuse to." The chances are not ALWAYS there...when they have long spawns with crazy windows, and yes I refuse to login when it involves family, friends, work, and school outside of a game...that being said, I love the game and try to play as OFTEN as a can, but I do not need to justify that things outside of a game, like family and work, should come first.

4. I was implying that his elitism is clouding his judgement, sorry for the poor statement.