Highly Notorious Monsters

[Takeshi_Eiketsu]

Exactly the respawn is set 21-24 hours so that constantly changes and eventually it'll be in your time zone. If it keeps respawning at 21 hours which it'll do sometimes it'll still get to your time period. Not everything can be super convenient takes the enjoyment away from actually getting something. And you are still acting like this will be the ONLY form of content and it wont be their will be plenty of things to do, other monsters, dungeons, force pop, whatever it may be. It doesn't make you any less special just some people have more hours to dedicate so why should they not be rewarded? They are playing a game more and they deserve more for putting in more hours..

/looks at thread title...nope, never said there wasn't other content...just talking about the content this thread is about. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, bro. So because you have no life, and can spend your time being sedentary in front of a computer for hours on end, you feel you should be rewarded? Bad news, it doesn't work like that (unless it is the "Time = progress" model, then yes it does work like that...but, oh wait! That is the model I am advocating). What you ultimately want, is for something SO RARE that only you and a few elitists would have, you are scared to death to actually allow an equal chance for others to get that item. If HNMs are "filler" content between other content, what is wrong with my proposal? Because I see nothing wrong with shorter spawn windows so that everyone has something to do to FILL time between content. (Fill it with something other than standing around...)

If you want to have the same chance it is easy. Get a job that works around the game, schedule your classes around your raid schedule, tell your friends NO when they ask you to go out. That will sound crazy to many, but those that do this should end up better then the play when they have free time only person. This is what defines you as hardcore. The mentality hardcore = hard content is really wrong. For many this is impossible, but it is a life style choice. The difference between a hardcore mmo gamer and a casual mmo gamer.

And this is your problem. It is a video game. Meant to be fun and entertaining, and not to replace real life (merely provide a temporary escape). In FFXI, SE was a hypocrite...making you say yes to not forgetting family, friends, job, etc and then adding content to the contrary (and guess what? people like you dumped their life to get the content...yes, I know they didn't make you do it, BUT they provided the means for you to do it.) I have faith that Yoshi-P realizes this and doesn't create another contrary system like Old-XI style HNMs, because family, friends, job, and school will ALWAYS come first to me.

Just because we don't find camping very fun doesn't mean we're not hardcore players- I'm very much a hardcore player- but I prefer to spend my time in the game immersed in the content as much as possible. I want reward consummate with risk not wait time.

This.

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What you ultimately want, is for something SO RARE that only you and a few elitists would have, you are scared to death to actually allow an equal chance for others to get that item.

Completely wrong. We have all said (over and over..) that the SAME rewards from the HNM would be offered in other instanced content (somewhat similar to XI..). Your blindsighted by the reward, which others therefore do have an equal chance at (and more ways to get it..), while we are talking about the content. The encounter itself, camp-claim-kill, is our focus.

And this is your problem. It is a video game. Meant to be fun and entertaining, and not to replace real life (merely provide a temporary escape). In FFXI, SE was a hypocrite...making you say yes to not forgetting family, friends, job, etc and then adding content to the contrary (and guess what? people like you dumped their life to get the content...yes, I know they didn't make you do it, BUT they provided the means for you to do it.) I have faith that Yoshi-P realizes this and doesn't create another contrary system like Old-XI style HNMs, because family, friends, job, and school will ALWAYS come first to me.

So many things wrong with this..

-'Fun' and 'entertaining' are relative to the player playing the game; you have no basis to make such a blanket statement.

-SE was a hypocrite?? That 'content' was experienced with friends and family. Xatsh, and obviously others, managed thier job/career just fine as he said. Who's to say anyone of those 'people like you', as you claim, isn't your boss, or your parents boss (i can't guess your age given the context of your posts..).

-I'm glad that family, friends, and job come first to you. Family, friends, and my career come first to me as well and always have. At the end of your post your suggesting all fans of the window system are sacrificing their friends, family relationships, and/or professional life because we camped a mob?? What about ppl who spend hrs on end gathering? Crafting? Solo questing? Leveling?.. So I guess anyone who spends more than an hour or two at a time playing ARR must not have their priorities straight?

[Andrien]

So many things wrong with this..

-'Fun' and 'entertaining' are relative to the player playing the game; you have no basis to make such a blanket statement.

-SE was a hypocrite?? That 'content' was experienced with friends and family. Xatsh, and obviously others, managed thier job/career just fine as he said. Who's to say anyone of those 'people like you', as you claim, isn't your boss, or your parents boss (i can't guess your age given the context of your posts..).

-I'm glad that family, friends, and job come first to you. Family, friends, and my career come first to me as well and always have. At the end of your post your suggesting all fans of the window system are sacrificing their friends, family relationships, and/or professional life because we camped a mob?? What about ppl who spend hrs on end gathering? Crafting? Solo questing? Leveling?.. So I guess anyone who spends more than an hour or two at a time playing ARR must not have their priorities straight? And on that, I'll just move on..

Takeshi_Eiketsu has a point.

You're making some real bold statements. Are you suggesting that he should change his career, and find people that share his interest at a work place just to enjoy a video game like you and Xatsh? These friends you talk about, are they strangers met in game or real life?

Solo, gathering, crafting of that sort can be done anytime, on ones own time.

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You're making some real bold statements. Are you suggesting that he should change his career, and find people that share his interest at a work place just to enjoy a video game like you and Xatsh?

So you missed the part, again, that the same rewards are offered in other content? Where did I suggest he should change anything other than perhaps his rather selfish view on content he simply doesn't enjoy. Are you suggesting if you camp windowed HNM you must only have friends that are from your workplace that share your gaming interests??

Solo, gathering, crafting of that sort can be done anytime, on ones own time.

Oh I see, so the people who do group content that takes more than an hour or two don't have their priorities straight..?

[Andrien]

So you missed the part, again, that the same rewards are offered in other content? Where did I suggest he should change anything other than perhaps his rather selfish view on content he simply doesn't enjoy. Are you suggesting if you camp windowed HNM you must only have friends that are from your workplace that share your gaming interests??

The way how you word your thoughts in your post, it tells me otherwise. I didn't miss anything, I'm specifically targeting your bold statements.

No, I did not suggest anything..

Oh I see, so the people who do group content that takes more than an hour or two don't have their priorities straight..?

Do you need glasses? I know for a fact I didn't post anything like that. I don't know what you're reading.

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Do you need glasses? I know for a fact I didn't post anything like that. I don't know what you're reading.

Uh..

At the end of your [Takeshi's] post your suggesting all fans of the window system are sacrificing their friends, family relationships, and/or professional life because we camped a mob?? What about ppl who spend hrs on end gathering? Crafting? Solo questing? Leveling?.. So I guess anyone who spends more than an hour or two at a time playing ARR must not have their priorities straight?

Solo, gathering, crafting of that sort can be done anytime, on ones own time.

Oh I see, so the people who do group content that takes more than an hour or two don't have their priorities straight..?

No, I don't need glasses, you may however want to pickup a "fact" checker.

[Takeshi_Eiketsu]

Completely wrong. We have all said (over and over..) that the SAME rewards from the HNM would be offered in other instanced content (somewhat similar to XI..). Your blindsighted by the reward, which others therefore do have an equal chance at (and more ways to get it..), while we are talking about the content. The encounter itself, camp-claim-kill, is our focus.

No, not everyone has said "over and over" again that instanced content would give the same content. If I have read anyone that has said that, I would agree with them and not care about the rest, because all I would want to do is fight the HNM once and be done then. I am sorry I didn't read all 110 pages of this thread, I have only ready from the current posts since it's necro revival.

For you the focus is simply the camp-claim-kill...not for others like Kryptic. (Which that is who my post was intended for, thanks for taking it out of context.)

1.)-'Fun' and 'entertaining' are relative to the player playing the game; you have no basis to make such a blanket statement.

2.)-SE was a hypocrite?? That 'content' was experienced with friends and family. Xatsh, and obviously others, managed thier job/career just fine as he said. Who's to say anyone of those 'people like you', as you claim, isn't your boss, or your parents boss (i can't guess your age given the context of your posts..).

3.)-I'm glad that family, friends, and job come first to you. Family, friends, and my career come first to me as well and always have. At the end of your post your suggesting all fans of the window system are sacrificing their friends, family relationships, and/or professional life because we camped a mob?? What about ppl who spend hrs on end gathering? Crafting? Solo questing? Leveling?.. So I guess anyone who spends more than an hour or two at a time playing ARR must not have their priorities straight?

1.) "Meant to be fun and entertaining, and not to replace real life (merely provide a temporary escape)." Is what I said...are you telling me games are NOT made to be fun and entertaining? Really? Do tell me then, WHY are games made? (I NEVER gave a definition of what fun and entertaining are...simply that it is meant for recreation.)

2.) Not all the time. Are you really that naive? Not heard the stories of people throwing their life away in games? If you haven't, then there is no getting through to you on this aspect. Your real life should not be molded around a fictional reality, is the point I am trying to make, please understand that before you go and attack me for the statement.

3.) It seems common for people to put words in others mouths. My statement was generalizing to these people:

If you want to have the same chance it is easy. Get a job that works around the game, schedule your classes around your raid schedule, tell your friends NO when they ask you to go out.

Because as I said in my first post, and have restated a different way here, your real life should not be molded around a fictional world. So I am not saying ALL fans of a window system are sacrificing their life? Just those that ARE sacrificing their life because of a window system. See the difference now? (I hope so, because I am not trying to start an argument or be confrontational about it.) I don't need to answer the latter question in three, because with my correction to the first statement just now, the latter is rendered mute.

[Andrien]

Uh..


No, I don't need glasses, you may however want to pickup a "fact" checker.

Do you even know what playing on your own time, your own pace, and not on anyone else time means? Please explain in detail what is being sacrificed playing at your own pace, because that analogy you posted is not very strong.

[Thugwaffle]

I think it would be a decent idea if HNMS required a huge number of people to kill ... 15+ and then once Your character has killed said HNM, you get locked out from being able to claim it again for a few days or whatever time period is deemed fit. This way the same people/group can't keep camping the HNM and killing it over and over again. The same could apply for reg NMS as well, but a lesser duration.

[Exn]

No, not everyone has said "over and over" again that instanced content would give the same content. If I have read anyone that has said that, I would agree with them and not care about the rest, because all I would want to do is fight the HNM once and be done then. I am sorry I didn't read all 110 pages of this thread, I have only ready from the current posts since it's necro revival.

For you the focus is simply the camp-claim-kill...not for others like Kryptic. (Which that is who my post was intended for, thanks for taking it out of context.)

Ok, I can understand you addressing Kryptic, and I'm sorry that you missed the idea most of us are requesting in favor of windowed type content. Nevertheless, I'm glad to hear you agree and would experience the content, even if only once.

Because as I said in my first post, and have restated a different way here, your real life should not be molded around a fictional world. So I am not saying ALL fans of a window system are sacrificing their life? Just those that ARE sacrificing their life because of a window system. See the difference now? (I hope so, because I am not trying to start an argument or be confrontational about it.)

We mostly agree here but this applies across the board. Anyone who is sacrificing their life because of the game, not a particular type of content. How is it any better or worse to spend 3 hours camping than it is to spend 3 hours gathering? We don't agree in that 'windowed content' is the problem. Not trying to be confrontational either, and we still may not fully understand each other, but that's ok.