Highly Notorious Monsters

[Andrien]

Easy Mode = Standing around camping, and waiting for a pop window. It doesn't matter how many people participate, it rewards only a few that claims it fast enough.

Well Thought Out Content = Takes effort to complete, and a better sense of accomplishment for anyone that participates.


You pick.

[Jeronlmo]

And this is your problem. It is a video game. Meant to be fun and entertaining, and not to replace real life (merely provide a temporary escape). In FFXI, SE was a hypocrite...making you say yes to not forgetting family, friends, job, etc and then adding content to the contrary (and guess what? people like you dumped their life to get the content...yes, I know they didn't make you do it, BUT they provided the means for you to do it.) I have faith that Yoshi-P realizes this and doesn't create another contrary system like Old-XI style HNMs, because family, friends, job, and school will ALWAYS come first to me.

This is 100% your take on gaming, the casual take on it, which is fine, but accept what you are and be happy with it. For me and many others, gaming is about a challenge, and I have fun by being challenged. The only people that gaming "replaces" real life for are RPers and anyone at all who has ever claimed "immersion matters". The fact that you need to and in fact can "escape from reality" means your somewhat a RPer even if you do not RP with people... it goes into some kind of insanity I cannot imagine to suddenly believe the game is real.

Every other mmo out there (wow, rift, aion, gw... ect) has the "not forgetting family, friends, job, etc" BS because its mandated by law that they do so or they would be liable for crazy people who die at their computers. Now lets take wow... casual homeland, people still play alot, even though the raids in wow have week long lockouts, and theres virtually nothing worth doing... ever. Fact is, theres crazy people in the world and in every MMO, the fact that a few may have existed in FF11 means nothing except that youve been grasping at straws.

[Andrien]

1) Make up your mind on what the argument is. Reguardless of windows, it will still only reward those who claim fast enough.

It was in response to those that considers hardcore to be based on waiting hours upon hours for a single monster to pop.

2) A well thought out post from you would be nice but lets get past this. I tried to respond to the rest of this, but considering you apparently do not know what your talking about I could not even imagine what your version of "well thought out content" would be.

You can't be serious.. Apparently you have trouble comprehending what my statement means. I'll try to make it more simpler for you to understand. Now read closely.

**Well thought out content. What is content? Ex: Sky/Sea/Einherjar/Dungeons. They're all teaming with high level NMs, and at the end there is the true NM boss. The cream of the crop, the boss that drops that elite stuff.

You know these content requires coordination with other teammates, solving puzzles in dungeons, and some brain power.

The fact that you didn't get all that before worries me a little.

[Jeronlmo]

It was in response to those that considers hardcore to be based on waiting hours upon hours for a single monster to pop.



You can't be serious.. Apparently you have trouble comprehending what my statement means. I'll try to make it more simpler for you to understand. Now read closely.

**Well thought out content. What is content? Ex: Sky/Sea/Einherjar/Dungeons. They're all teaming with high level NMs, and at the end there is the true NM boss. The cream of the crop, the boss that drops that elite stuff.

You know these content requires coordination with other teammates, solving puzzles in dungeons, and some brain power.

The fact that you didn't get all that before worries me a little.

I think your stalking me, I edited all that out like 14min's before you posted, your post contained such little information the entire thing is out of place.

But now this post is easier to respond to atleast, you are against open world content altogether. If that last post simply said "No to HNM's because I personally hate open world content in any form." I would not have even responded to you.

If you would, read through all 113 pages of this thread, I have, not a single person is anti-instance, you will get what you want, FF with finally after all the hard work and begging have instances. There is nothing wrong with more than a single type of content, the more types means the more types of people you will get and obv more people in general.

[Andrien]

I think your stalking me, I edited all that out like 14min's before you posted, your post contained such little information the entire thing is out of place.

But now this post is easier to respond to atleast, you are against open world content altogether. If that last post simply said "No to HNM's because I personally hate open world content in any form." I would not have even responded to you.

I was watching survivorman on netflix. Probably the reason why of the late reply. I have no attention of sounding mean or anything. Perhaps I should have word my thoughts better before.

I have nothing against open world content. I just think waiting for the pop window mechanic should change into actually luring the monster out with hard work and effort. Doing so should not be an easy task of course.

[Takeshi_Eiketsu]

This is 100% your take on gaming, the casual take on it, which is fine, but accept what you are and be happy with it. For me and many others, gaming is about a challenge, and I have fun by being challenged. The only people that gaming "replaces" real life for are RPers and anyone at all who has ever claimed "immersion matters". The fact that you need to and in fact can "escape from reality" means your somewhat a RPer even if you do not RP with people... it goes into some kind of insanity I cannot imagine to suddenly believe the game is real.

Every other mmo out there (wow, rift, aion, gw... ect) has the "not forgetting family, friends, job, etc" BS because its mandated by law that they do so or they would be liable for crazy people who die at their computers. Now lets take wow... casual homeland, people still play alot, even though the raids in wow have week long lockouts, and theres virtually nothing worth doing... ever. Fact is, theres crazy people in the world and in every MMO, the fact that a few may have existed in FF11 means nothing except that youve been grasping at straws.

I have played a LOT of MMOs, (WOW, rift, GW, GW2, FFXI, FFXIV, DUCO, Planetside 1 and 2, STO, SWTOR, Earth and Beyond, Age of Conan, Anarchy Online, Champions Online, COH/V, etc etc etc) and Square is the only one I have seen to prominently place that statement, about life and family, in their game. Rest were hidden within the manual or in an agreement that people speedily hit 'agree' to (If it is as you say, I would like a screen source). So, that being said, you didn't understand the post you quoted at all and I am not going to bother repeating it, because it is in layman's terms.

The great thing about your posted responses to me is that others I have been talking with, that agree with what you want, understand my side, and we have at least come to some sort of understanding and agreement about the things you are quoting.

I am sorry if you are so conceited that you can't see what I am talking about. So I am going to try and explain this one more time, if you don't get it, then I am not going to bother with you anymore.

1. When I said those that work more hours than those that don't deserve the same chance, I meant it. YES, I agree that more time in game equates to more chances, but that only holds true if the opportunities are there. (Which I am advocating more opportunities.)

2. You really didn't understand my analogy at all...so lets translate his analogy into game terms: "That's like if we worked the same job but I worked 8 hours a day and you only had to work 2 hours a day but we get the same pay. "

Reworked: "That's like if we played the same game but I played 8 hours a day and you only played 2 hours a day, but we get the same gear."

So, I can do in 2 hours what you can do in 8? Wouldn't you have more gear in 8 hours because you can move on to other things faster than I can?! /gasp

The analogy doesn't work.

3. "The chances are always there for you if you log on more, you just refuse to." The chances are not ALWAYS there...when they have long spawns with crazy windows, and yes I refuse to login when it involves family, friends, work, and school outside of a game...that being said, I love the game and try to play as OFTEN as a can, but I do not need to justify that things outside of a game, like family and work, should come first.

4. I was implying that his elitism is clouding his judgement, sorry for the poor statement.