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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeronlmo View Post
    I agree 100%, sadly SE has taken the easy route like every other mmo and decided to not have "Gear Swaps" which kept all these different events/gear useful through 10yrs in FF11, just like making servers regional (which you can argue all you want, they did) makes servers only active on prime-times, leads to large events not taking place during off times of the day due to the lack of people and a general slower progression (everything "modern" mmo's do lead to less actual thought/planning behind gear/events/design).

    Reguardless of them bringing HNM's back, you know they will mess it up, were going to have 5min respawns or no claiming enabled with a common loot pool between 100 people, w/e they do, believe it will be broken.

    Edit: I just see what 11 had and I see it as a package deal, you cannot take half of what it had and expect it to work, HNM's having 1-3 day+ respawns worked in FF11 because good gear didnt just die, it lasted forever, if gear is that hard to get and replaced every 1-2yrs, people will always complain. You need gear swaps to keep the gear relevant.

    For the love of god do not start saying im advocating for gear swaps, the battle to not have a broken game is already lost, that convo does not belong here, I am simply saying you cannot have one without the other.
    We can only hope they don't mess it up. Reward the people who are willing to spend 3 hours in an area for epic gear. The people who don't give them an alternative to get some of the same gear somewhere else. Make exclusive gear for each monster and make gear swaps possible so every piece of gear is relevant and has a purpose. Everyone running around in the same gear and sets suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    We can only hope they don't mess it up. Reward the people who are willing to spend 3 hours in an area for epic gear. The people who don't give them an alternative to get some of the same gear somewhere else. Make exclusive gear for each monster and make gear swaps possible so every piece of gear is relevant and has a purpose. Everyone running around in the same gear and sets suck.
    It all depends on how SE wants to do it. Gear and Content getting negating is one of the largest negatives in WoW and the Clones. It is why there is always a shortage of content shortly after a new expansion is launched in almost every mmo since WoW's launch.

    If there is a Top gear set, meaning say if you are BLM this set is always the best. Then any form of good endgame is out the window, but this is a whole nother battle that would be fought against the people who like content negation which seems to be the majority of westerners.

    XI's rich and insanely large endgame worked because everything from Zilart through WoTG had a drop that was best in slot for something. It kept everything valid and gave you over 200hrs of endgame if you did everything in procession just once. Which if you do it enough to get every piece of gear you need it can easily add up to 30,000-40,000+ hrs of playtime. Which is a really good thing. This adds endless life to the mmo. Something no other mmo besides EQ, XI, and Linage have been able to do. It is easily the biggest strength of the old school mmos that was lost in the modern era. The mmo lost their never ending status when content was getting replaced. People expect mmos to be beatable now days, which is the saddest thing and genre breaking element of new mmos.

    In a good mmo content is not fully clearable before more content is added. So every patch more and more and more stuff to do. The work you do to get the gear is not wasted because when you get it, that piece will be good for 5-6 more years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    We can only hope they don't mess it up. Reward the people who are willing to spend 3 hours in an area for epic gear. The people who don't give them an alternative to get some of the same gear somewhere else. Make exclusive gear for each monster and make gear swaps possible so every piece of gear is relevant and has a purpose. Everyone running around in the same gear and sets suck.
    Fact is, the game is already made, an in Yoshi's words, its based on wow, even though i loved HNM's/long cooldowns and gear swaps from 11, you cannot take half of what worked in 11 and throw it into wow and expect it to still work.
    Gear Swaps are not in the game and likely will never be, I knew people in FF11 who waited 4yrs never missing a dynamis run for a -1 rdm hat because they were so rare, if content is replaced every 1-2yrs, will you still do the event? The same can be said for HNM's, would you wait 4yrs for an E.body knowing that halfway through its going to be worthless?

    If HNM's were exactly what they were in 11, it simply would not work, it cant. The fact that content will be replaced every 1-2yrs guarantees there will be short respawns, high drop rates, and in general gimpy content.

    Again, I am not advocating for any of these old discussions, the game will be as broken as any other current mmo full of instant gratification content for 12yr olds, im simply saying your ideas are sadly flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeronlmo View Post
    Fact is, the game is already made, an in Yoshi's words, its based on wow, even though i loved HNM's/long cooldowns and gear swaps from 11, you cannot take half of what worked in 11 and throw it into wow and expect it to still work.
    Gear Swaps are not in the game and likely will never be, I knew people in FF11 who waited 4yrs never missing a dynamis run for a -1 rdm hat because they were so rare, if content is replaced every 1-2yrs, will you still do the event? The same can be said for HNM's, would you wait 4yrs for an E.body knowing that halfway through its going to be worthless?

    If HNM's were exactly what they were in 11, it simply would not work, it cant. The fact that content will be replaced every 1-2yrs guarantees there will be short respawns, high drop rates, and in general gimpy content.

    Again, I am not advocating for any of these old discussions, the game will be as broken as any other current mmo full of instant gratification content for 12yr olds, im simply saying your ideas are sadly flawed.
    It won't be a complete WoW clone..I'm betting on it being a hybrid hopefully with more FFXI than WOW in it. The playerbase for this game and the fans aren't like the WOW ones hopefully they see it and figure it out before it's to late. My ideas can still happen it's all about how they apply new content and level caps as well as how often. They have a good developing team so I hope they see my main post and really look at it. It's a long-shot but I can hope.
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