Highly Notorious Monsters

[Miliant]

That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

[Exn]

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

Your attempt at a personal attack wasn't warranted, as I never suggested chores are the apex of my or anyone else's life. I was only suggesting things one could do instead of staring at the screen, which you still appear to be unable to understand.

I will presume it will also be impossible for you to understand my sentiment, as you seem to be rooted to your desk chair as soon as you login into FF, unable to perform any other basic functions than point-and-click until the time for your allocated gaming session of the day concludes. Therefore, to each his/her own.

[schism]

Im pretty sure he or she was talking about things while PLAYING the game. SE doesn't care what we do for jobs in rl. This casual stuff is killing good games and will eventually kill huge names in the business if it keeps up.

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

[Xatsh]

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

Then don't camp it no one is forcing you to. For those of us who enjoy it we will gladly camp it. You can run raids with your time or solo some quest, or solo with a bunch of other in a FATE.

[Alhanelem]

Ah, that statement explains alot.. I think I'm done here.

What exactly does that explain?

If you're trying to imply that I don't really know what it's like to fight HNMs, you'd be wrong. I've battled and beaten every single world spawn HNM in the game, with the sole exception of dark ixion, which wasn't really ever camped in the first place (because it was such a PITA to do so).

Hmm really? I seem to recall manaburn limit pts with my LS in between Cerbs windows.. And doing Limit pts and FoV in between Ada's... And catching/killing Rapido while waiting on KV's weather... And farming bugs for gil and running ppl up the mountain in the Chasm in between Tia'

Your LS would be the first I've ever heard to do this.

Also:
waiting on KV weather != waiting for spawn windows. You can easily end up waiting a lot longer than what a faf/nid/etc spawn window lasts.

Cerb windows are 1 hour, not 30 minutes. It's a bit more reasonable to do stuff in an hour.

Beyond that, most of my comments refer to the old days of FFXI: before things like FOV etc. existed. It's super convenient that things like that got slapped down right next to where ada spawns. So if they implemented old school HNMs in XIV, I guess I wouldn't do them unless they put EXP quest NPCs right next to the spawn point (which would be really silly).

Oh, and tiamat is a 3-5 day spawn with 30 minute windows. Actually camping every one of those windows while doing stuff in between them for up to 48 hours straight kind of screams "no-lifer." I'm sorry, but that's really stretching the realm of believability right there. If they actually made HNM in XIV with that kind of spawn delays I would march over to SE hedquarters and find out whose idea it was and give them a taste of my medicine. Fortunately, I don't expect that to happen.

[Miliant]

Your attempt at a personal attack wasn't warranted, as I never suggested chores are the apex of my or anyone else's life. I was only suggesting things one could do instead of staring at the screen, which you still appear to be unable to understand.

I will presume it will also be impossible for you to understand my sentiment, as you seem to be rooted to your desk chair as soon as you login into FF, unable to perform any other basic functions than point-and-click until the time for your allocated gaming session of the day concludes. Therefore, to each his/her own.

No attack was intended. I was just pointing out that among the things I have to do during the day, chores amount to a relatively unimportant part.

I usually play at night, and by the time I sit down and run a game I'm done with everything for the day. So when I do sit down to play, I want to actually play the game, not run it in the background while I do something else.

Then don't camp it no one is forcing you to. For those of us who enjoy it we will gladly camp it. You can run raids with your time or solo some quest, or solo with a bunch of other in a FATE.

And there's why I'm against FFXI HNM mechanics. Why should we not be able to camp it due to the window being unnecessarily long? What's the point?

[Alhanelem]

So when I do sit down to play, I want to actually play the game, not run it in the background while I do something else.

40000 times this. There is seriously no good reason to have lengthy spawn windows. Have the NM pop or not within a reasonable amount of time. It is not reasonable, nor is it healthy, to require players to camp a single NM for hours at a time.

Big scary difficult monsters roaming the world that are so dangerous that they'll always be up when you look for them are fine.

Slow pops and pop windows are not fine.

The thrill of the FIGHT should be where the thrill comes from.

HNMs in old FFXI were fun at first but became unfun when the fights became trivial and the whole thing was all about the claim. I want a thrilling battle with scary NMs that will run around killing everyone if people can't stop them.

[schism]

Thats just it. Who said you had to camp this for so many hours? If you dont want a chance at a sweet drop than dont go. We all know they will shorten the timers so that all HNM's will pop once a day. But even if there is a few 1-2 day spawns im pretty sure SE isnt going to demand you to camp them and they never really twisted any arms in ffxi. You make the call if you want to camp something dont go rain on parades just because you dont like something.

[Alhanelem]

Who said you had to camp this for so many hours? If you dont want a chance at a sweet drop than dont go.

I shouldn't be locked out of a sweet drop if I'm not willing to NOT play the game for 2-3 hours straight.

There is no reason why it has to be designed that way. Make the fight challenging, instead of making the challenge a test of patience and waiting. Why can't the fight itself be just as if not more thrilling than the "win the lottery" thrill of being the first one out of 100 people to hit a certain key on your keyboard?

It seems people define "HNM" by how long you have to wait to kill it, not how notorious or threatening the NM actually is.

I want the HNMs to be more about the HNM itself rather than the waiting game. Waiting is not a challenge. Beating people to the pull is not a challenge, it is luck (assuming no cheating).

The people advocating for the old style of HNMs from way back in the day are looking for the thrill of the competition. But FFXI HNMs were competition in the most shallow form possible. There are a LOT of other ways to have competition in an MMO that would be far more interesting.

[Atoli]

Couldn't agree more with Alhanelem and Miliant.
I never understood how anyone could get more fun out of CLAIMING a mob instead of the actual BEATING.
It's only because of unnessecarily long waiting times. And it's just so much wasted time standing around for hours upon hours.
Also, please stop saying "if you don't like it, don't play it."
My opinion is as valuable as yours, and if I enjoy a game I want to enjoy it fully, not only a few parts.
If something I'm interested in (HNMs) is implemented, why am I not allowed to state that I hate the way they were in FFXI and that I'd rather see them do it differently in FFXIV?

Like I said before though, I like having certain spawning conditions for them (and small NMs too).
Waiting for a few minutes until it's morning/the weather changes/etc. is no big deal.
Waiting for hours is, though.