Highly Notorious Monsters

[Exn]

30 minutes is not enough time to go anywhere or do anything in the game and be able to return to the area in time. Having the ToD only means you know exactly when the pop windows are so you know exactly how much time you can goof off or do other things before the window.

Hmm really? I seem to recall manaburn limit pts with my LS in between Cerbs windows.. And doing Limit pts and FoV in between Ada's... And catching/killing Rapido while waiting on KV's weather... And farming bugs for gil and running ppl up the mountain in the Chasm in between Tia's (one hour windows btw...)... And tons of skill up pts in the Tree for Faf/Nidd between windows (only need a few ppl to hold...).. AND I COULD KEEP GOING... That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.

Even if you didn't have the ToD, you could usually figure it out after the first window by the behavior of other players.

Ah, that statement explains alot.. I think I'm done here.

[schism]

All that stuff was fun to do.

Hmm really? I seem to recall manaburn limit pts with my LS in between Cerbs windows.. And doing Limit pts and FoV in between Ada's... And catching/killing Rapido while waiting on KV's weather... And farming bugs for gil and running ppl up the mountain in the Chasm in between Tia's (one hour windows btw...)... And tons of skill up pts in the Tree for Faf/Nidd between windows (only need a few ppl to hold...).. AND I COULD KEEP GOING... That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.



Ah, that statement explains alot.. I think I'm done here.

[Miliant]

That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

[Exn]

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

Your attempt at a personal attack wasn't warranted, as I never suggested chores are the apex of my or anyone else's life. I was only suggesting things one could do instead of staring at the screen, which you still appear to be unable to understand.

I will presume it will also be impossible for you to understand my sentiment, as you seem to be rooted to your desk chair as soon as you login into FF, unable to perform any other basic functions than point-and-click until the time for your allocated gaming session of the day concludes. Therefore, to each his/her own.

[Miliant]

Your attempt at a personal attack wasn't warranted, as I never suggested chores are the apex of my or anyone else's life. I was only suggesting things one could do instead of staring at the screen, which you still appear to be unable to understand.

I will presume it will also be impossible for you to understand my sentiment, as you seem to be rooted to your desk chair as soon as you login into FF, unable to perform any other basic functions than point-and-click until the time for your allocated gaming session of the day concludes. Therefore, to each his/her own.

No attack was intended. I was just pointing out that among the things I have to do during the day, chores amount to a relatively unimportant part.

I usually play at night, and by the time I sit down and run a game I'm done with everything for the day. So when I do sit down to play, I want to actually play the game, not run it in the background while I do something else.

Then don't camp it no one is forcing you to. For those of us who enjoy it we will gladly camp it. You can run raids with your time or solo some quest, or solo with a bunch of other in a FATE.

And there's why I'm against FFXI HNM mechanics. Why should we not be able to camp it due to the window being unnecessarily long? What's the point?

[Alhanelem]

Who said you had to camp this for so many hours? If you dont want a chance at a sweet drop than dont go.

I shouldn't be locked out of a sweet drop if I'm not willing to NOT play the game for 2-3 hours straight.

There is no reason why it has to be designed that way. Make the fight challenging, instead of making the challenge a test of patience and waiting. Why can't the fight itself be just as if not more thrilling than the "win the lottery" thrill of being the first one out of 100 people to hit a certain key on your keyboard?

It seems people define "HNM" by how long you have to wait to kill it, not how notorious or threatening the NM actually is.

I want the HNMs to be more about the HNM itself rather than the waiting game. Waiting is not a challenge. Beating people to the pull is not a challenge, it is luck (assuming no cheating).

The people advocating for the old style of HNMs from way back in the day are looking for the thrill of the competition. But FFXI HNMs were competition in the most shallow form possible. There are a LOT of other ways to have competition in an MMO that would be far more interesting.

[Exn]

I shouldn't be locked out of a sweet drop if I'm not willing to NOT play the game for 2-3 hours straight.

I beg to differ. And since we seem to fundamentally disagree, I doubt we'll find much common ground here.

Your comments earlier, for me, just further suggest you had very little experience with HNMs in XI, especially that one about Ixion. (but then again I guess every server is different..). I never mentioned Ixion/SW because they didn't use the traditional pop windows, and actually did have the need to stay alert over a few hours to camp. If that wasn't your cup of tea, no one ever forced you to do it. I never got anything personally from Ixion the entire time i was with my shell, and only one drop from SW, and still loved every minute of the content. Those fights were very rewarding and I enjoyed the hunt throughout multiple zones scanning horizons with other shells hoping to be the first ones when it pops.

I don't enjoy leveling crafting, sitting in one spot repeating the same mindless task with very little or no risk. I'd rather no levels in crafts cause the leveling process IMO is just pointless. I however don't think that content should be removed from the game because I don't enjoy crafting. I don't enjoy quest based solo leveling because I feel it defeats the purpose of an MMO. It encourages solo play all the way to endgame IMO, and you miss out on more enriched leveling experience, a poor setup for endgame since you won't be soloing that.. I however don't think that content should be removed from the game because I don't enjoy quest based leveling.

Don't worry, I know you still don't get it.

[Atoli]

Couldn't agree more with Alhanelem and Miliant.
I never understood how anyone could get more fun out of CLAIMING a mob instead of the actual BEATING.
It's only because of unnessecarily long waiting times. And it's just so much wasted time standing around for hours upon hours.
Also, please stop saying "if you don't like it, don't play it."
My opinion is as valuable as yours, and if I enjoy a game I want to enjoy it fully, not only a few parts.
If something I'm interested in (HNMs) is implemented, why am I not allowed to state that I hate the way they were in FFXI and that I'd rather see them do it differently in FFXIV?

Like I said before though, I like having certain spawning conditions for them (and small NMs too).
Waiting for a few minutes until it's morning/the weather changes/etc. is no big deal.
Waiting for hours is, though.

[schism]

Im pretty sure he or she was talking about things while PLAYING the game. SE doesn't care what we do for jobs in rl. This casual stuff is killing good games and will eventually kill huge names in the business if it keeps up.

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

[Xatsh]

To quote you, that statement explains a lot. It's cool that, apparently, washing clothes, watching tv and cooking dinner are the apex of your real life activities outside your job. Unfortunately, it seems, mine actually require my attention.

Under the circumstances, I presume it will be impossible for you to understand how much I abhor the idea of having to spend the portion of actual free time that I've alloted to playing a game staring at the screen waiting for a pop. It might be better to just refer you back to FFXI and wish you good hunting---eh, camping.

Then don't camp it no one is forcing you to. For those of us who enjoy it we will gladly camp it. You can run raids with your time or solo some quest, or solo with a bunch of other in a FATE.