Highly Notorious Monsters

[Miliant]

Firstly, even if the content is provided, no ones 'making' you do anything..

Secondly, two to infinite hrs? That suggests you were doing things wrong in XI.. It's called having the ToD. When I played XI, I had a full time job, a bf that hates anything video games (constant bf aggro), and taking care of my family. I was also in a HNMLS for 2 years. I never once had to sit in front of my computer staring and waiting for 2+ hours as some people like to suggest. I could camp KV/Nidd/Tia/etc while cooking dinner, taking care of work, and yelling at my impatient bf. XI's HNM were designed on pop windows for that very reason. Every 30 minutes (or hour) from ToD I'd simply come back to my computer, buff, wait 30 seconds, and if no pop.. Back to whatever I was doing (which even included other in game activities between windows at times too). If we didn't get claim, I haven't wasted anything.. other than perhaps at most 60 seconds per window if your being picky. And if you wanted to stay and watch the other LS kill it, that was up to you, it doesn't take the entire LS to stay just to collect the ToD.. HNM camping was only a time sink if you allowed it to be, or just didn't know what you were doing..

That all said, as much as I want to see HNM in ARR, it doesn't need to be exactly like XI by any means. I'll admit camping Tiamat used to piss me off royally, but only because of the 24 hr period that the window was open could meant that you won't always be able to get the ToD, as I imagine people do need to sleep at some point..

I just don't get why you feel why the option shouldn't even be provided to players who do understand the system, simply because you don't think that you have enough time..

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

[Exn]

Um, having the ToD doesn't eliminate the 2-3 hours of 30 minute windows you have to sit through before the NM pops.

Um, I just explained that u don't have sit through any window... So since u so clearly missed that obvious point, I didn't bother to read the rest of whatever you may have been trying to claim.

[Exn]

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

As I said, I'm ok with changes to the XI system. And if checking in for a cupl seconds every 30minutes or an hour, is too much of a commitment for you, you didn't have the time anyways. But that doesn't mean the content should be excluded.

[schism]

Yea I dont understand these ppl who want this stuff gone... I dont like holiday events but im not asking them to take it out.

As I said, I'm ok with changes to the XI system. And if checking in for a cupl seconds every 30minutes or an hour, is too much of a commitment for you, you didn't have the time anyways. But that doesn't mean the content should be excluded.

[Blackpearlguy]

Um, I just explained that u don't have sit through any window... So since u so clearly missed that obvious point, I didn't bother to read the rest of whatever you may have been trying to claim.

Would say one window, of 30 or 15 minutes work? I think that eliminates people wasting hours.. Still most people would leave without the NM- which isn't a bad thing.

[Exn]

Would say one window, of 30 or 15 minutes work? I think that eliminates people wasting hours.. Still most people would leave without the NM- which isn't a bad thing.

I still kinda like 2 hr windows, of 30m. Make the window too short (15m or less) and you'll find that you do have to sit and stare because there's not enuff time in between windows to get anything done. But perhaps if the window was only open for an hour, 15m intervals might not be so bad, I think most people could sit for up to an hour, and maybe get some crafting or something done in the meantime.

[Alhanelem]

Um, I just explained that u don't have sit through any window...

And I explained that you DO in fact have to sit through windows. 30 minutes is not enough time to go anywhere or do anything in the game and be able to return to the area in time. Having the ToD only means you know exactly when the pop windows are so you know exactly how much time you can goof off or do other things before the window. Even if you didn't have the ToD, you could usually figure it out after the first window by the behavior of other players.

Make the window too short (15m or less) and you'll find that you do have to sit and stare because there's not enuff time in between windows to get anything done.

Even with 30 minute windows, there isn't enough time to get anything done. The only thing you could have concieveably accomplished during a 3king pop window is craft. If you weren't doing that, you were either chatting or doing something outside the game. 30 minutes or less is not enough time to leave the area, do something, and come back.

If a window concept is used (I don't think there should be windows at all, I think it should just pop and be done with it) then the windows shouldn't be longer than 5-10 minutes. That way, it doesn't take forever to wait for the pop and when you don't win the pull because of some claim bot, you've only wasted maybe 30 minutes instead of 1-3 hours.

As many others have said throughout this thread: I'm not against HNMs themselves, where HNM is defined as big scary boss monster that's out in the world rather than in a dungeon/instance battle- On the contrary, I do want them because they're fun to fight. I AM however against antiquated mechanics that only survive in this day and age because apparently there are thrill seekers willing to wait several hours for a 5-minute high.

[strallaalaa]

Well, I don't get it either, because I'm not against having something LIKE HNMs in FFXIV. But I am quite against the implementation of FFXI's HNM mechanics in FFXIV.

You may be fine with it, but I personally do not think that having to pay regular attention to my computer when I should be doing something else is a valid or even reasonable compromise for a chance at experiencing all the content the game has to offer. I really don't see the point of having multiple hour pop windows instead of, say, making the window just 15 minutes long. Nothing changes and nobody wastes nearly as much time.

i agree with this, make the HNM's pop fast, lower there drop rates to very very low. add mobs around the zone you can kill to higher your drop rates maybe and done. no more afk every 30mins and everyone can fight for HNM's but every 15mins. muscle farming over afk waiting for pops.

the way the rmt used to farm mantra's for angle bones comes to mind, they would pop the worm nm every time it repops and fishers and killers of mantra's. make it some big thing, huge boss pops and inbetween your farming mobs for highering your drop rates. let us jump around bouncing back and forth non stop without the bullshit afk'ing or 24hr pop times. hell let us farm 24hrs and kill them.

also the aspid turtle egg HNM comes to mind. but make the pop 15mins, make every mob in that zone a chance to higher drop rate on the HNM. bam, no more afk.

[Exn]

30 minutes is not enough time to go anywhere or do anything in the game and be able to return to the area in time. Having the ToD only means you know exactly when the pop windows are so you know exactly how much time you can goof off or do other things before the window.

Hmm really? I seem to recall manaburn limit pts with my LS in between Cerbs windows.. And doing Limit pts and FoV in between Ada's... And catching/killing Rapido while waiting on KV's weather... And farming bugs for gil and running ppl up the mountain in the Chasm in between Tia's (one hour windows btw...)... And tons of skill up pts in the Tree for Faf/Nidd between windows (only need a few ppl to hold...).. AND I COULD KEEP GOING... That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.

Even if you didn't have the ToD, you could usually figure it out after the first window by the behavior of other players.

Ah, that statement explains alot.. I think I'm done here.

[schism]

All that stuff was fun to do.

Hmm really? I seem to recall manaburn limit pts with my LS in between Cerbs windows.. And doing Limit pts and FoV in between Ada's... And catching/killing Rapido while waiting on KV's weather... And farming bugs for gil and running ppl up the mountain in the Chasm in between Tia's (one hour windows btw...)... And tons of skill up pts in the Tree for Faf/Nidd between windows (only need a few ppl to hold...).. AND I COULD KEEP GOING... That's not even including all the real life things you could be doing in between windows (as I already said cooking dinner, washing clothes, TV!). It's your own fault you sat there twiddling your thumbs.



Ah, that statement explains alot.. I think I'm done here.