Highly Notorious Monsters

[ThePatriarch]

agreed. i thought the use of titles in XI when you killed HNMs and certain rare NMs was a really nice touch.

I agree. It felt good to be the first Vrtra Vanquishers on ramuh

It brought a sense of accomplishment through titles and gear, that FFXIV could benefit from (edit: XIV has the gear, but walking around with a cool title would be sweet)

And also, just the overall excitement of that first kill, along with the title to prove it.

[Catalyst67]

No, I don't want a repeat of doing the samething in FFXI. Kiting for thirty minutes and stacking twenty BLM. No thanks.

[Rokien]

First time on in several months, Bump!

Oh no, watch out toxic will report you because it's against the rules to bump a thread.

[ThePatriarch]

No, I don't want a repeat of doing the samething in FFXI. Kiting for thirty minutes and stacking twenty BLM. No thanks.

I understand what you are getting at, but that is not at all what we are asking for.

Denying the implementation of HNM's in general solely dye to a small amount of them requiring a kiting strategy is not a realistic approach. I understand that you may not like the kiting method, and I hope that we have so many other options that you will never have to partake in that certain content; But some of us enjoyed the kited fights

There were numerous fun NM's/HNM's. In the earlier days (before we had killed them all 10,000 times) Fafnir was a fun fight, Tiamat was exciting, Alabastor Antlion, Bahamut V2, etc. And this example contains only a handful out of hundreds, if not thousands of fights.. Open world/Instanced/BCNM/KSNM,etc)

We are not just asking for 1 type of monster, we are asking for a wide variety of fights that require many different strategies

Look at a wider picture of content!

/edit And Hi Rokien, long time no see

[Deathmask]

I have to disagree with the statement about bots in XI. I was a part of some very major HNM shells, and as a high pearlsack I never saw one bot in use in the LS.

I'm not saying bots were prevalent in XI, they might have been. But I personally have probably killed 200 Fafnirs/Nids, wining about 40% claim, with no bots.

Regardless of who claims, everyone would instantly do the "omg popped purple" "they use nasa" "obv bots", when truthfully its a DIA spam, and luck.

Yea, because you were the only one to claim all HNMs for your shell or you can swear that other mebers never used a bot. Of course you wouldn't say here that you used a bot but every single person that played the HNM game knew it was a matter of who had the best bot for claim.

Either that or lose 90% of claims. If you pretend otherwise you are just a liar and hoping to use your new bot to get those HNM again.

[ThePatriarch]

Yea, because you were the only one to claim all HNMs for your shell or you can swear that other mebers never used a bot. Of course you wouldn't say here that you used a bot but every single person that played the HNM game knew it was a matter of who had the best bot for claim.

Either that or lose 90% of claims. If you pretend otherwise you are just a liar and hoping to use your new bot to get those HNM again.

I clearly stated that we won about 40% of claim. Back in those days, alot of HNM's were not heavily camped due to the nature, i.e. Tiamat, Khimaira, etc. And even then, at camps with heavy competition, we were still under 50% claim.

Not sure why it is so hard for people to believe that not everyone used a bot. And this discussion was had almost 50 pages ago, good sir. Please feel free to read the following pages!

And even then, please read more on how we DO NOT want just normal window spawn HNM's like FFXI. Should they implement some? Why not? But we want more. We want a system that discourages botting, or atleast makes it so difficult that botting would be pointless.

Instanced HNM.

Wide spawn area HNM.

The list goes on and on... I know not everyone will read the majority of this thread, but there are some very good ideas listed by many users throughout the pages. I posted quite a few in my OP, including ways to may botting irrelevant

Rather than berate my ideas, and call me a liar, how about something constructive? We would get farther.

[ToxicFox]

Oh no, watch out toxic will report you because it's against the rules to bump a thread.

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/10char

[urtv]

only if they implement kill stealing otherwise its pointless

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I clearly stated that we won about 40% of claim. Back in those days, alot of HNM's were not heavily camped due to the nature, i.e. Tiamat, Khimaira, etc. And even then, at camps with heavy competition, we were still under 50% claim.

Not sure why it is so hard for people to believe that not everyone used a bot. And this discussion was had almost 50 pages ago, good sir. Please feel free to read the following pages!

And even then, please read more on how we DO NOT want just normal window spawn HNM's like FFXI. Should they implement some? Why not? But we want more. We want a system that discourages botting, or atleast makes it so difficult that botting would be pointless.

Instanced HNM.

Wide spawn area HNM.

The list goes on and on... I know not everyone will read the majority of this thread, but there are some very good ideas listed by many users throughout the pages. I posted quite a few in my OP, including ways to may botting irrelevant

Rather than berate my ideas, and call me a liar, how about something constructive? We would get farther.

I don't think the problem is how many claim you got at your times, the problem is HNM a-là FFXI are a real downer. Huge time frame and good drops bring the everlasting problem of claim bots. It isn't important if you used them or not, sooner or later somebody will use them. And usually after someone start using happens two thing :
1) mpk
2)after the 20 lost claim due bots, start botting on your own
3) give up camping

Believe it or not, in a forum of my country some idiot planned to buy claim bots because "japanese have huge advantage on claim and we can't let that happens, we need to claim". Do you know how he started planning ? Looking a fucking ARTWORK of a behemoth in 2.0 pdf. Retard guys at his finest, but if camping means dealing with people like this, istance. Istance forever, and good grief on open world nm

[Deceptistar]

wouldnt mind having those 1 per 3-5days instance like dynamis/limbus

or quests like old promi where part of the (frustrating) fun was farming items to open the quest instance.

trigger NMs (zippa anyone?)