Highly Notorious Monsters

[ThePatriarch]

This is endgame in XI, fighting invisible fafnirs, etc

With the right Machine, this didn't happen. Aside from my 1st couple weeks playing on Ps2, when I switched to my PC, i never once fought an invisible Fafnir. I understand, however that this is quite unnacceptable, and people should have to dump thousands of dollars into a super-machine to be able to see what they are fighting.

And Richard hit it head on. As you have most assuredly read in the prior pages of this thread we are not after 21-24hour, 7 window HNM's. If some of them are introduced just to please some of the remaining harcore XI HNM crowd? Fine. But introduce more than just that specific branch of HNM.

I think it is the common consensus, that we all want every sort of HNM/NM content that can possibly be crammed into the game.

[Cichy]

I agree we all want HNM/NM content. I agree that roaming HNMs would bring more life and immersion to the environment.
Just throwing this pic out there for those who dint play XI or want that system to come back.

[Hippo]

one of the arguments put forth by the anti open world HNM camp is that it will create an uneven playing field where LS who cheats/bots will monopolize the HNMs.

I have seen suggestions of making the NM pop over a wide area but this will not eliminate the possibility of botting and will also create hazards for parties/gatherers.

i don't know if this is a good idea or not but how about making the NM unclaimable by anyone within the first 15 secs that it popped. After 15s, the NM will be claimed by the player with the highest /random within a certain vicinity where the NM popped. the game will recognize the first random generated for each player only (to prevent players from spamming /random)

advantages:
- cannot be botted
- eliminated the issue of NA crying foul that JP has an advantage
- is fair over the long run
- gives casual a chance to challeging content

if there are no random after 15s, then the NM will be available for claim by the first player to get its hate (i.e as per normal)

to promote sportsmanship, the leader of the party that claimed the NM can also invite other parties (up to 2) to join into a 24 member alliance to kill the NM. The NM, if defeated, will have a small chance to drop the loot for the main party but also a smaller chance to drop the loot for the 'helpers'. So if defeating Nidhogg gives the main party a 1% chance to obtain a defending ring, the other 2 parties will EACH have a separate 0.5% chance of getting the ring too.

to avoid MPK, the NM will despawn if the party that claimed it is defeated, saying 'you foolish mortals, come back to challenge me when you are stronger'. this, together giving a smaller chance to parties that help, will prevent the ugly scenes we see so commonly in ff11. of course if a ls is able to gather 24 member for every pop, kudos but dont forget the pop will eventually move to ithe timezones so there's no chance that a single ls, even being incredibly lucky to win every /random, is Able to monoolize an NM

[Abhayaa]

Building on that idea, maybe every person who uses a claiming spell/ability within the first 5 seconds after pop get's their name put in a pot, from which one is randomly selected for actual claim.

[SniperRifle]

RNG claims as well as RNG drops. Idk if I like where this is going...

[GreyJorildyn]

We go around in circles because we go around in circles because we go around in circles because we...

[ThePatriarch]

I'm a little unclear on the above proposals... Are we talking about a claim system based on /random? Please elaborate a little.

While the majority of us would love to expand the claiming system into that of one that can avoid botting/exploitation, I'm kind of on the ledge about a system based off /random...

[Richard_BG]

I'm a little unclear on the above proposals... Are we talking about a claim system based on /random? Please elaborate a little.

While the majority of us would love to expand the claiming system into that of one that can avoid botting/exploitation, I'm kind of on the ledge about a system based off /random...

Sniper was just being sarcastic and making light of the new AV/CC drop rates as well as stating obvious displeasure about claim wars being based off of "RNG". We all share the same displeasure about it I'm sure. We already know the 2.0 claim system will be first party claims > get rewards. Outside parties will still be able to help but whoever gets the claim is the winner. As long as they don't do Dragon's Aery style claim wars and keep it to randomized spawn areas (hopefully large chunks of the entire zone or multiple zones) then HNM camping will go much better.

[ThePatriarch]

Sniper was just being sarcastic and making light of the new AV/CC drop rates as well as stating obvious displeasure about claim wars being based off of "RNG". We all share the same displeasure about it I'm sure. We already know the 2.0 claim system will be first party claims > get rewards. Outside parties will still be able to help but whoever gets the claim is the winner. As long as they don't do Dragon's Aery style claim wars and keep it to randomized spawn areas (hopefully large chunks of the entire zone or multiple zones) then HNM camping will go much better.

Ah, now it makes sense! I missed his sarcasm because I'm at work in serious mode lol.

Really looking forward to 2.0 and the possibility of HNM's/NM's in a better open world setting. Would love to see a preview, but I know we are a long ways off from that

[ThePatriarch]

We go around in circles because we go around in circles because we go around in circles because we...

You have to admit, it has been a relatively productive circle