Highly Notorious Monsters

[Cichy]

I never said it didn't happen but your on here rampaging acting like 100% of endgame ls did it when very few did. Also if you didn't know GM's were present @ tons of popular camps sites staying unseen. I have personally witness plenty of botters get banned on the spot by a GM @ an camp. Like i said again the 3 second rule SE added to mob claims made it harder for bots to operate.

Just as a side note you will never get rid of botters in a game or RMT they go in hand and hand.

95% of my linkshell botted every single day. Only people ever that got banned used speed hacks or POS.
You guys just better pray that you dont spend 4 years watching NMs being killed if you end up on the wrong side of the fence.

[Firon]

95% of my linkshell botted every single day. Only people ever that got banned used speed hacks or POS.
You guys just better pray that you dont spend 4 years watching NMs being killed if you end up on the wrong side of the fence.

that's nice to know but I have out claim many botters plenty of time i claimed over 50 faf's/ 20 nidhogs and i'm sure there were plenty of botter's there.

[ThePatriarch]

95% of my linkshell botted every single day. Only people ever that got banned used speed hacks or POS.
You guys just better pray that you dont spend 4 years watching NMs being killed if you end up on the wrong side of the fence.

We don't plan on it, as we don't want a copy+paste of XI's bottable system.

I'm sure there are ways to nullify botting, and create a system that promotes healthy competition between linkshells, but doesn't allow botting/cheating/exploiting, etc.

[Alhanelem]

We don't plan on it, as we don't want a copy+paste of XI's bottable system.

I'm sure there are ways to nullify botting, and create a system that promotes healthy competition between linkshells, but doesn't allow botting/cheating/exploiting, etc.

Your signature is in conflict with what you want. I'm still waiting for a way to have world spawn NMs without any potential for abuse. Frankly, I think the probelm is potentially worse for FFXIV because claim doesn't prevent people from attacking a monster. Thus people can mess with enmity and such to ruin your fight. Any HNM in the open world just has to be in an instance or it's going to be chaos.

I don't support open-world HNMs unless you can show me a clear, concise way to have them without any of the problems that existed in FFXI. I DO support instanced HNMs, BCNMs and other fights that you don't have to compete with other people for the right to attempt.

that's nice to know but I have out claim many botters plenty of time i claimed over 50 faf's/ 20 nidhogs and i'm sure there were plenty of botter's there.

Just because botting wasn't a 100% guarantee, doesn't mean it wasn't a problem.

[ThePatriarch]

Your signature is in conflict with what you want. I'm still waiting for a way to have world spawn NMs without any potential for abuse. Frankly, I think the probelm is potentially worse for FFXIV because claim doesn't prevent people from attacking a monster. Thus people can mess with enmity and such to ruin your fight. Any HNM in the open world just has to be in an instance or it's going to be chaos.

I don't support open-world HNMs unless you can show me a clear, concise way to have them without any of the problems that existed in FFXI. I DO support instanced HNMs, BCNMs and other fights that you don't have to compete with other people for the right to attempt.

Well hopefully in 2.0, you won't be able to attack an enemy which another party/alliance has engaged. Furthermore, maybe they will have a feature such as something similar to /blockaid, that would prevent other LS's from MPK attempts.

As for possible OPen-World content that can be bot free, please read the entirety of the OP.

Spawn timers between 6-8 hours for major, HNM. Widened spawn area to prevent RMT/Bots/Cheaters from standing in one spot mashing a macro over and over.

Rare/ex Drops for the most part, make them unsellable so that RMT and botters can't turn around for profit. (Alas, there you run into the issue of botters trying to sell rare/ex drops, that needs to be discussed)

Regardless, any systems, be it Open-World or instanced has the opportunities to be abused for its flaws. It will take implementation, testing, and patching to get anything right. We all know game developers don't implement material that is perfect right out of the gate.

[Cichy]

We don't plan on it, as we don't want a copy+paste of XI's bottable system.

I'm sure there are ways to nullify botting, and create a system that promotes healthy competition between linkshells, but doesn't allow botting/cheating/exploiting, etc.

This is SE, every time they attempted they failed.

[ThePatriarch]

This is SE, every time they attempted they failed.

First attempts bring failure. It's in those failures you find means to bring success. You have to walk before you can run.

Notorious Monsters, were, and still are an undeniably large aspect of Square-Enix's prior MMO. There are many different forms of NM's, and not everyone liked certain forms.

But the glory of it all, was the branches of content. There was so much to kill, you could decide what you wanted to go after.

Shall we get some zeni and pop a couple ZNM's, should we go camp LL, maybe we should kill Fafnir, the list goes on. Sure the system needs improving, but many people want to see it, why not work on it? (sorry, alot of commas there)

That's a rather big hopefully. For ordinary purposes, the revised claim system we have now is fine. It's going to be a mess for any kind of world spawn boss if nothing is done though.

Oh, for sure lol. It would be a madhouse, pure chaos. Before HNM, or any open world NM comes, we need the claim system to be revised and revamped.

Also, edited my Signature. You were right Alha, I was sending the wrong message. Fixed! (hopefully)