Highly Notorious Monsters

[Cyonos]

I,m 100% behind the idea of HNM in xiv, let the ppl that want no part of HNM stick to their instanced dungeons that they cling to so adamantly. I liked how bcnm, ksnm, znm, were implemented in xi, I dont how ever like the idea of tokens for drops from a HNM to buy a piece of gear. What i cant even understand is why no one like the idea of competition on HNM or anything for that matter.

Its just my opinion but bring back HNM Xi style and let anyone who wants to participate have at it and those that dont can do w/e it is they want instanced dungeons, primals w/e they fell like doing. Hell bring back bcnm ksnm znm while we are at it. Just cause its HNM doesnt mean that they will be forced to participate in it.

[Alhanelem]

I don't think you actually played FFXI, or WoW. I however, played both.

Yeah, you're funny. I played FFXI since day 1. My account is still active. I played WoW for a few years after it came out (and quit because it was boring as hell and the endgame community was 10x more oppressive than FFXIs was.

If you think that in FFXI, only 1-5% of the community participated in endgame content..

I don't think it, I know it. Because it's a fact- a fact of virtually all MMOs. The VAST MAJORITY of players do NOT end up experieincing such superbosses that we call HNMs.

They are all Notorious Monsters.....

Zeni Notorious Monster
Burning Circle Notorious Monster
Kindred Seal Notorious Monster...

This thread is asking for Highly Notorious Monsters. Not BCNMs and KSNMs. Did you not read the title of this thread????
I'd LOVE to have BCNMs. I would NOT love to have world spawn HNMs.

Define a small amount of people sir. Because I think alot more than a "small" amount of people are interested in HNM's.

You think wrong, my good sir. FFXIV likely has a higher percentage than the average because of how small the playerbase is (and the dedication level of those that currently remain). But it's still far from something everyone wants to participate in or even a majority.

Let's make it big, bold and clear. I'm ONLY, ONLY ONLY ONLY talking about world spawn HNMs. world spawn HNMs does NOT include instanced boss battles (KSNM, BCNM, ENM etc), nor does it include the majority of force pop content. If you can't understand what I'm talking about after this post, you never will and you may as well stop responding because we're going to be talking in circles forever.

[ThePatriarch]

I don't think it, I know it. Because it's a fact- a fact of virtually all MMOs. The VAST MAJORITY of players do NOT end up experieincing such superbosses that we call HNMs.

That's unfortunate for them, but the ones of us who worked hard, and got to that point really enjoyed it! Also, please don't call "facts" without being able to prove them. You have absolutely no idea what the exact range of numbers/percentages of the population were involved with end-game HNM content. Your assumptious numbers, do not equal facts.

Just because some people aren't cut out for it, and like to make up reasons, and also make up facts about how bad the system is that they don't like, is no reason to prohibit the playerbase that loves the content from experiencing it.

And we are not just talking about Open-World HNM content. Yes, the Title is highly notorious monsters, but we have branched out into all aspects of notorious monsters.

I will tell you what I have told the handful of others like you:

If you don't want to camp the HNM's, don't. However, the rest of us will. Hopefully there will be enough content in the post-2.0 FFXIV that you will be able to choose.

[Alhanelem]

Can you honestly tell me that HNM's would hurt FFXIV's chance for future success?

Hurt? No. But their impact on the game as far as attracting new customers and getting people to play and keep playing will be minimal at best.

The number of people that will play HNMs, regardless of how good or bad they are, is not going to be high compared to the total playerbase. Their ability to influence the game as a whole will be limited in either direction.

During Zilart, which primarily was SKY/HNM/Dynamis for endgame, there were a little over 200,000 people subbed (this was late 2004).

Comparitively, FFXIV has around 10-12,000 subscriptions. Seems like they were doing something right in their prior MMO.

You're right- but that "something" that was right was a lot of things, it wasn't just or even mostly HNMs. Please, quit pretending that HNMs were the sole/primary reason that hundreds of thousands of people played FFXI. If that were true, there would have been 1000 people in the dragon's aery every fafnir pop instead of 100-200.

[ThePatriarch]

Hurt? No. But their impact on the game as far as attracting new customers and getting people to play and keep playing will be minimal at best.

The number of people that will play HNMs, regardless of how good or bad they are, is not going to be high compared to the total playerbase. Their ability to influence the game as a whole will be limited in either direction.

Well sir, I think I speak for many here when I say that I am sorry that you feel the way you do. I appreciate your opinions, and hopefully you enjoy your time in FFXIV, regardless of what kind of content is implemented.

Rather than have us compare our opinions for the next couple of pages, I would like to re-direct the thread back to the topic, of which is HNM's and their possible implementation.

I edited the OP with the "Token" system, which would alleviate some issues with low/horrid drop rates, and would cater more towards the "Work=Reward" type system.

Any additional ideas/opinions are welcome.