Highly Notorious Monsters

[Sephrick]

You can watch our speed run video if you like. It's really not a worthwhile argument to have, but I know my dps wasn't aided by any exploits. I'd rather not have anyone's skill misrepresented as the outcome of a glitch.

Again, not saying anything about the entirety of BG. Nothing but respect for the lot of you. Just that I know what happened in runs that I was in before he was a member.

[ArnoMorley]

Both. I see no reason why they couldn't do both, since other games have inevitably wound up that way.



I would think a variety would be best. Probably even more so if the reward was equivalent to the length of time it took to appear. There was a reason LoO had such rigorous pop conditions.



The more the merrier, I'm inclined to say base it on spawn conditions. But you should also base it on how difficult you made it comparative to other game content. If it takes an hour to whittle an open world NM down and 10 minutes to kill an instance boos, I think the rewards should reflect that. If the difficulty of defeating the two are equivalent, so should the quality of the reward.



Again this is something that should vary. In context of the thread, I'm going to assume open world. Some could spawn in a pretty confined area, while others would have random spawn points. Same for the amount of roaming they do. It would make sense for a Wyrm to take flight and roam all over, a goblin king on the other hand may be more inclined to chill in his throne room.




Only if they add a call for help function, in which case you can receive outside help but loose the reward. I don't think that should be NM specific though, so there's that.

For the record, I was never an NM camper. I would lend a hand here or there if, for example, I was farming near SSG when Charybdis popped. But that was about the extent of my NM action.

Funny thing is, FFXI had ALL of these. A couple of NM haters seem to think like it had nothing but a bunch of broken claim wars. There were hundreds if not thousands of NMs in XI and they came in all different variety.

NM/HNMs were by FAR the most fun thing about FFXI. I just find it incredibly selfish that a couple of players who don't want to dedicate time to the game want to take it away from everybody. Once a day/week NMs that only one group gets should exist and did exist in XI but they were NEVER the only thing.


Casual players had bcnm and ksnm, then ToAU came along and they had assault/salvage/nyzul/znm and what not. Multitude of instanced content that rewarded gear that was on par with HNM/God gear. Was it all better? No but if you didn't like claim wars there was tons of instanced stuff you could do.

I think the ToAU era FFXI was the perfect hardcore/casual model that every mmo should follow, ToAU leveling was much faster than it had been before. Only took a month to get to 75 whereas CoP era leveling took half a year. But the casual gamers didn't stop there with the compromise, they always want to take more and more away until FFXI became a joke and XIV is starting out as one thanks to them.

[fusional]

Again, not saying anything about the entirety of BG. Nothing but respect for the lot of you. Just that I know what happened in runs that I was in before he was a member.

so, you're trying to slander me out of sheer perpetual buttfrustration. that's hilarious and cute all at once. there's nothing left for me to add to this conversation. it's just disappointing you'd go to such lengths to validate your own awful play.

[Wynn]

My answer for all of those questions is pretty much "all of the above".
Let's get as much variety to suit as many people as possible.

We can't afford "my way or no way" in the relaunch.

I think this is pretty much my opinion. We need a diverse amount of things to do to make the game world feel alive. There has to be a way to add a variety of content that any kind of gamer would find something appealing in XIV. We might not get everything we individually want, but I believe there must be a compromise to be made somewhere.

[Dubberrucky]

I think HNM's should drop upper echelon gear. Maybe not the most "Elite" of pieces, but stuff that would desirably sought after. Great gear, I guess.

But you are right, I don't want to "camp". I would like spawn timers to be around 6 hours, but with 1 (one) 15 minute window? Maybe less. So no more 7 windows, just 1 shot to pop. This way people don't waste time.

X-HNM is due to pop in 30 mins. People gather, windows comes.. LS claims. That's that. Back to whatever you were doing.

Im not saying they shouldn't drop great gear. If you are willing to take the headache of going after them more power to you and the LS that wants to do so. What I am saying is do not make it the end all be all gear because there are those of us who are willing to put in just as much if not more work to attain the same level of desirable gear without that particular headache give us an alternative headache to choose between simultaneously.

[CrystalWeapon]

Funny thing is, FFXI had ALL of these. A couple of NM haters seem to think like it had nothing but a bunch of broken claim wars. There were hundreds if not thousands of NMs in XI and they came in all different variety.

NM/HNMs were by FAR the most fun thing about FFXI. I just find it incredibly selfish that a couple of players who don't want to dedicate time to the game want to take it away from everybody. Once a day/week NMs that only one group gets should exist and did exist in XI but they were NEVER the only thing.


Casual players had bcnm and ksnm, then ToAU came along and they had assault/salvage/nyzul/znm and what not. Multitude of instanced content that rewarded gear that was on par with HNM/God gear. Was it all better? No but if you didn't like claim wars there was tons of instanced stuff you could do.

I think the ToAU era FFXI was the perfect hardcore/casual model that every mmo should follow, ToAU leveling was much faster than it had been before. Only took a month to get to 75 whereas CoP era leveling took half a year. But the casual gamers didn't stop there with the compromise, they always want to take more and more away until FFXI became a joke and XIV is starting out as one thanks to them.

Then why not ask for an instanced fight that you can only do once every day or every 3 days? What about a system where you cannot attack / claim a mob you have attacked less than 24 hours before? Why does it have to be made so that you claiming directly blocks everyone else who wants to participate access to said content just so you can have the thrill of outclaiming all other groups? There are several several severrrraaal ways to accomplish what you want without blocking others from at least trying the same content. You can have special snowflake gear w/o making it so one group per server can participate once every day or two.

I don't understand... ugh going back to playing xi. I feel like I'm going to have an aneurysm if I stay in this thread any longer.

[Levian]

Good points... Most people seem to feel this way... I don't know what all the arguing and disagreement is about
Its like congress... we all agree on core concepts and then we get all angry and up in arms over the details

Seems to me that a lot of people assume that if they throw in HNMs they'll be the only source of decent gear, or otherwise be the only source of endgame content. I'm not sure why though, clearly we're going to have the instanced content regardless of all else. Unlike other suggestions that have been made around these forums, HNM type content literally only had an impact on people in HNM shells. The rest of us did sky, sea, dynamis, and later einherjar, besieged, nyzul etc. all while the HNM crowd did their own thing.

Did that make some gear unobtainable? Yes. Did we complain about it? Well, I didn't but I'm sure someone did. As for me, I chose not to do the content and lived with being locked out of certain gear options because of my choice.

[ThePatriarch]

Im not saying they shouldn't drop great gear. If you are willing to take the headache of going after them more power to you and the LS that wants to do so. What I am saying is do not make it the end all be all gear because there are those of us who are willing to put in just as much if not more work to attain the same level of desirable gear without that particular headache give us an alternative headache to choose between simultaneously.

Thanks for sharing your opinions. While I agree that the vast majority do not want the camping frustrations and headaches, alot of us would like to see HNM's have great gear to drop. I think that instanced raids should have some amazing gear, but at the same time I think NM/HNM's should have some amazing drops too.

i.e: Relics/AF from Dynamis. Ridill/Defending Ring from HNM's. MonsterSigna/O.Kotes from Smaller Open world NM's, etc.

[Yves]

Obviously not?
HNMs.. no HNMs... at this point I don't even care....
I just want to know how professional athletes are OBVIOUSLY not jerks and assholes...
really?
I actually have a few friends in the NFL... and I'll be honest with you... their douchebags....
And you know what? the more competitive they are... the bigger douches they are....
Michael Jordan is maybe the worlds biggest douche... Im not even kidding...
Lebron James? Michael Vick?
really though?
Athlete =/= douche?

Edit: I'm going to give you a moment to retract that statement... Im barely even following this thread and I don't really know what your position is on this... but that has to hurt your argument... I can't even believe someone said that... I'm calling my buddy Bernard Pollard (Ravens DB) right now... I'm dead serious.... I'm calling him to tell him you said that

You could also calculate the following: we have more exposure to those named athletes due to a heightened media. Also factor in that nobody covers the hundreds of hours of community service Drew Brees did for New Orleans. Thus, people prefer to watch athletes (or anyone famous) at their worst behavior because it brings them down to what we perceive to be a lower level than ourselves. This is why reality television is so big.

Also, remember that anyone can look like a jerk if portrayed in short snippets of only their worst moments. I could put together a media montage that makes Ghandi look like a total dick and one that does vice-versa.

You have friends in the NFL who are jerks. I have friends in mainstream MMA that I train with ("train" is a loose term meaning "I get beat up by") who are completely normal people who just so happen to possess extreme conviction and natural ability/physical parameters. I also know a couple who are jerks.

The point is that no one single group in society is solely one way. At the end of the day we are all humans (in good and bad moments) - we all possess the ability to be jerks in some instances and the complete opposite in others.

[ArnoMorley]

You could also calculate the following: we have more exposure to those named athletes due to a heightened media. Also factor in that nobody covers the hundreds of hours of community service Drew Brees did for New Orleans. Thus, people prefer to watch athletes (or anyone famous) at their worst behavior because it brings them down to what we perceive to be a lower level than ourselves. This is why reality television is so big.

Also, remember that anyone can look like a jerk if portrayed in short snippets of only their worst moments. I could put together a media montage that makes Ghandi look like a total dick and one that does vice-versa.

You have friends in the NFL who are jerks. I have friends in mainstream MMA that I train with ("train" is a loose term meaning "I get beat up by") who are completely normal people who just so happen to possess extreme conviction and natural ability/physical parameters. I also know a couple who are jerks.

The point is that no one single group in society is solely one way. At the end of the day we are all humans (in good and bad moments) - we all possess the ability to be jerks in some instances and the complete opposite in others.

Hey Drew Sleeze is a jerk, don't kid yourself. I love how he tries to act horrified by the whole bounty scandal. The coach too, they have him on record telling the people involved "just have your stories straight". They made a big deal about him breaking Dan Marino's passing record, yeah well he did it by being an asshole and stacking points against other teams all year. Even if he wasn't involved in the bounty he still does enough dickish moves on his own.

And so what if he's done community service, he's only doing it for his image. Most of the time with celebrities that's all it is, and I've always said be wary of somebody who's too into charity work. A lot of times it's compensation for bad things they've done, I always ask myself what have they done that they're trying to make up for?

P.S. Ghandi was a pedophile, and is responsible for Pakistan being in existence.