Highly Notorious Monsters

[Jinko]

Put it this way, I'm as competitive as they come and that wouldn't appease me. There has to be something to compete for and I don't think the same weapon with a different look is going to cut it. People want to be able to separate themselves in myriad of different ways. If everyone essentially ends up with the same gear and/or stats, the player base becomes homogenised.

Is it wrong that the more skilled players should be rewarded? Certainly not from my perspective.

No people (like you) just want to feel superior to everyone else.

If you are that competitive maybe you should try playing a Korean PVP MMO.

Last thing I want to see is players with egos and attitudes ruining Final Fantasy.

So you would rather have everyone running around with the same gear, with no way to stand out, just so players are not forced to become better at the game? I'm sorry, but a skilled player should not be running around in the same gear as someone who can barely play the game. At least that's my view of things. It has nothing to do with wanting to stand on a pedestal, but rather it has everything to do with effort and skill yielding reward.

Yea because someone who barely plays the game is going to be running around in a full set of Darklight gear right ?

Come on be serious.

I must ask what makes being able to claim synonymous with skill above any other type of challenge? I agree give people who want them HNMs but that is not a measure of skill to get a claim it has a lot to do with luck, the fight itself should be the challenge. It is a matter of how someone wants to play and what they will put up with for a certain item (or more likely prestige) so why not make a comparable item drop for a different type of comparable challenge. Personally I wont pay a subscription fee to be bored to tears camping HNMs I would prefer a harder fight over one I must wait for but I won't deny there are those who prefer to camp them.

This hits the nail on the head, there is no difference between a boss in an instance and a boss roaming the open world besides luck in getting the claim.

Either monster can be tuned to be difficult the funny thing is as it stands open world bosses can be killed by help from outside the party.

Where is the challenge in that ?

[Clydey]

No people (like you) just want to feel superior to everyone else.

If you are that competitive maybe you should try playing a Korean PVP MMO.

Last thing I want to see is players with egos and attitudes ruining Final Fantasy.

And I here I thought a rational discussion would be possible. Instead we get mud-slinging from people who refuse to see a different perspective.

I am not looking to feel superior. I am looking for a meritocratic system. I didn't realise meritocracy was such a controversial concept.

[Jinko]

And I here I thought a rational discussion would be possible. Instead we get mud-slinging from people who refuse to see a different perspective.

I am not looking to feel superior. I am looking for a meritocratic system. I didn't realise meritocracy was such a controversial concept.

Sorry I'll put the bucket of mud away.

You only quoted one part of my post though, what about the most important bit about outside influence making open world encounters a joke.

Also is there no merit in running 20 instances a day and still not walking away with darklight gear ? Dedication is dedication to me.

I don't see what open world bosses provide other than the "look at me" factor or the "F you factor" when you claim it over someone else.

[Clydey]

Sorry I'll put the bucket of mud away.

You only quoted one part of my post though, what about the most important bit about outside influence making open world encounters a joke.

Also is there no merit in running 20 instances a day and still not walking away with darklight gear ? Dedication is dedication to me.

I don't see what open world bosses provide other than the "look at me" factor or the "F you factor" when you claim it over someone else.

Because some people like to compete. Are athletes elitist jerks because they enjoy competing? Obviously not. People enjoy distinguishing themselves. If I do something, I want to do it as well as I can. I also want to measure my best against someone else's best. This also applies to groups/linkshells. There is nothing wrong with someone enjoying competition.

[Jinko]

Because some people like to compete. Are athletes elitist jerks because they enjoy competing

You seem to be avoiding the issues that everyone is discussing.

Surely if you want competition PVP and front-line battle will be enough ?

Why does PvE have to be competitive ?

An Athlete competes against other people at something they are good at, just as a PvP players competes against others for the same purpose, competing to claim a monster for bragging rights seems a bit childish. (and lets not fool ourselves bragging rights is what it normally boils down to)

Now if you want competition in the form of leader boards based on the speed at which you killed a BCNM or instanced boss I'm all for that, that's healthy competition.

Claim wars is not healthy and fosters negativity in the community, cheating and MPKing.

[Clydey]

You seem to be avoiding the issues that everyone is discussing.

Surely if you want competition PVP and front-line battle will be enough ?

PvP is not something I particularly enjoy. I would be all for it being implemented if that's what people wanted, though.

Why does PvE have to be competitive ?

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It doesn't have to be. I am simply discussing my own preferences.

Most of this game is about PvE, so I would prefer to compete on that level. It's what I personally enjoy the most.

An Athlete competes against other people at something they are good at, just as a PvP players competes against others for the same purpose, competing to claim a monster for bragging rights seems a bit childish. (and lets not fool ourself bragging rights is what it normally boils down to)

This game is mostly PvE. If you're good at the game, you're good at PvE. Therefore, competing on that level is competing at the game's core gameplay.

It is what I and many other people enjoy. No one is telling you that you have to feel the same way, but a significant portion of the player base enjoy competing at the PvE level. They enjoy pitting their linkshell against other linkshells.

[Dubberrucky]

Because some people like to compete. Are athletes elitist jerks because they enjoy competing? Obviously not. People enjoy distinguising themselves. If I do something, I want to do it as well as I can. I also want to measure my best against someone else's best. This also applies to groups/linkshells. There is nothing wrong with someone enjoying competition.

There is not anything wrong with competition. People are not wrong for wanting to compete. A true competition between players though is PvP. I'm not big into PvP myself but I did enjoy a good Brenner in XI and would be psyched to see them add it here as well though I have my doubts. They did PvP very well there because it took nothing away from those who didn't like PvP but sadly it wasn't very popular. HNM drops show not so much competition as luck in who can land a claim as well as the drop which gets to the point of not really being a distinguishing factor after a while.

[Clydey]

There is not anything wrong with competition. People are not wrong for wanting to compete. A true competition between players though is PvP. I'm not big into PvP myself but I did enjoy a good Brenner in XI and would be psyched to see them add it here as well though I have my doubts. They did PvP very well there because it took nothing away from those who didn't like PvP but sadly it wasn't very popular. HNM drops show not so much competition as luck in who can land a claim as well as the drop which gets to the point of not really being a distinguishing factor after a while.

As I said earlier, I would like the luck element to be removed from the claim system. I expected some sort of critique of my proposal, but I haven't had much feedback so far. I suggested it hastily, but it seems solid even after taking the time to consider it. Skill and organisation would be the keys to claiming the HNM, rather than a bot.

[Dubberrucky]

As I said earlier, I would like the luck element to be removed from the claim system. I expected some sort of critique of my proposal, but I haven't had much feedback so far. I suggested it hastily, but it seems solid even after taking the time to consider it. Skill and organization would be the keys to claiming the HNM, rather than a bot.

I believe you may be hard pressed to find many who would disagree with you on the wish to take luck out of the equation. My argument though I am quoting you is not truly aimed just in response of you but several other people who have posted similar ideas that claim is a sort of competition. I agree they should put HNMs in the game if people want them as I have stated before, but I should not be required to go buy some Depends and shoot myself in the head from the boredom of camping in order to get comparable gear. For example give me a BCNM where I can trade a lower drop rate for similar item or go camp it for a higher chance. At least I can choose to be fighting the entire time which is more my style of play while still giving you what you are requesting. They do not need to be identical just comparable.

[Rydin]

Are athletes elitist jerks because they enjoy competing? Obviously not.

Obviously not?
HNMs.. no HNMs... at this point I don't even care....
I just want to know how professional athletes are OBVIOUSLY not jerks and assholes...
really?
I actually have a few friends in the NFL... and I'll be honest with you... their douchebags....
And you know what? the more competitive they are... the bigger douches they are....
Michael Jordan is maybe the worlds biggest douche... Im not even kidding...
Lebron James? Michael Vick?
really though?
Athlete =/= douche?

Edit: I'm going to give you a moment to retract that statement... Im barely even following this thread and I don't really know what your position is on this... but that has to hurt your argument... I can't even believe someone said that... I'm calling my buddy Bernard Pollard (Ravens DB) right now... I'm dead serious.... I'm calling him to tell him you said that