After reading this thread I really wanted to add my 2 cents as a noob to the FFXIV world. I apologize for heavy references to FFXI but there were many good things about that game I would like to see again. I played FFXI for several years but I never liked the HNM scene, simply wasn't my cup of tea but plenty of other players did. After 7 years I couldn't figure out why competitive claim players didn't just take out their epeen rulers in brenner or balista instead but it's besides the point. It never effected my enjoyment in that game so I do not yet understand why it would in this one if SE decided to add it. On the other hand though I would be really excited to see a Besiged type of event again with hundreds of players all up against overwhelming odds like it was when the 1st level 8 came out with drops added to that as well comparable in quality to HNM type drops so that it keeps the playing field more equal between those of us who don't like to camp NMs vs those who do.