Highly Notorious Monsters

[Elkwood]

I have to disagree with the statement about bots in XI. I was a part of some very major HNM shells, and as a high pearlsack I never saw one bot in use in the LS.

I'm not saying bots were prevalent in XI, they might have been. But I personally have probably killed 200 Fafnirs/Nids, wining about 40% claim, with no bots.

Regardless of who claims, everyone would instantly do the "omg popped purple" "they use nasa" "obv bots", when truthfully its a DIA spam, and luck.

Yeah I call bullshit on that one, sorry sir your either lying or full of it. Just because you didn't see Bots does not mean they were not prevalent. I can guarantee you 90% of HNM shells that camped Faf/Nid Behme/KB and Ada/Aspi used bots. If I had the list of characters still i would post for you just the ones from FFXIapp the list comprised of nearly 60,000 accounts, that list does not include Xiclaim, Nasa, XIP, Arenz, Tauntunleashed, etc. Any LS that had a 50%+ claim rate I guarantee you had bots.

[ThePatriarch]

Yeah I call bullshit on that one, sorry sir your either lying or full of it. Just because you didn't see Bots does not mean they were not prevalent. I can guarantee you 90% of HNM shells that camped Faf/Nid Behme/KB and Ada/Aspi used bots. If I had the list of characters still i would post for you just the ones from FFXIapp the list comprised of nearly 60,000 accounts, that list does not include Xiclaim, Nasa, XIP, Arenz, Tauntunleashed, etc. Any LS that had a 50%+ claim rate I guarantee you had bots.

Gaurantees based on assumptions aren't really gaurantees now are they?

I don't want to argue about bots, or who could win claim. I want to discuss ways to implement an idea from XI that most of us loved.

You are correct in a sense though, I agree that claim methods need to be re-worked. BCNM type pop maybe? Thats why im asking you.

Although I do think there should be a couple/many free roaming HNM's as well.

[Elkwood]

Gaurantees based on assumptions aren't really gaurantees now are they?

I don't want to argue about bots, or who could win claim. I want to discuss ways to implement an idea from XI that most of us loved.

You are correct in a sense though, I agree that claim methods need to be re-worked. BCNM type pop maybe? Thats why im asking you.

Although I do think there should be a couple/many free roaming HNM's as well.

It needs to be an Uli type pop or the way XI does HNM now collect seals trade seals for Orb fight NM, get Item, fight HNM get item, fight HQ HNM

[Jinko]

I don't want to argue about bots, or who could win claim. I want to discuss ways to implement an idea from XI that most of us loved.

So you want to dismiss the most obvious problem with this idea ?

Then I guess its not worth discussing.

What's wrong with making public content, 3 top players get loot, it fosters healthy competition that anyone and everyone can be a part of.

Edit:- Just to be clear there would be gold, silver and bronze loot pools and the drop could be random, so not necessarily something uber awesome.

[ThePatriarch]

So you want to dismiss the most obvious problem with this idea ?

Then I guess its not worth discussing.

I concede, you are correct. Whilst I did not use them, nor have I ever seen one in use, I would not know where to begin on making a bot-proof system (if even possible). I know that with an open world system we would face that issue. It would be the giant elephant in the room any time a claim dispute arose.

BCNM pop HNM's are a good idea. However some of us love that good old fashioned XI style Nidhogg hunt. Your point however, is spot on and valid. I am all for finding a way to think up a system that bots would not be able to tarnish.

[Gukswar]

I outclaimed a lot of Bot's on my first Hnms lol