I never botted in any form but the fact that you are against every bit of these ideas proves that you must have sucked at XI or had no friends. I only did HNM just a brief bit but rl came before it, but i wouldnt dare deprive someone that wants likes or might enjoy it just because i couldnt do it as much as i wanted to. And btw i know bcnm and such were instanced and i loved to do them i never complained about instances. I simply just said let the ppl that want to stay with dungeons stay with them and leave the rest of us alone with for wish for HNM, or would you rather there be Anti instance thread started so you might have a chance to make a real point about anything.