Highly Notorious Monsters

[Exni]

At one point my linkshell was making 100 mil a month because we monopolized everything with bots. We had about 50 ppl and claimed 90% of HNMs. Whatever we dint sell we dropped to the ground so that the notion that you can get gear for free did not get around. There were dozens of linkshells like us.
Is this what you want? Because this is what XI was and what XIV will become.
Unlike you I am not delusional and I'm not lying to myself that what we did was majestic or noble. However, this is what that game mechanic created and promoted.
Also, 90% of fights in XI were tank and spank so novelty of them wore very quick.

Who said what YOU did was majestic or noble? These forums still are a riot at times I see.. People can't defend an arguement without making stuff up.. But fine, I'll continue

IF by chance there was a time where your LS was claiming almost everything I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said... Regardless if YOUR LS failed and couldn't get a claim without a bot (which is beyond SAD...), that just a testament to the lack of competition on your server. EVEN IF theres abunch a groups out only with bots, you shouldn't get claim 90% of the time unless the other people simply arent even trying.. If your LS decides to let stuff drop to the ground (again.. fail.., we always had friends either on a waiting list outside the shell, or would sell it someone camping for whatever.. better than letting it drop to the floor...), that's just up to your LS... Basically, just because your LS botted on a server with hardly any competition (so.. so.. fail..), doesn't mean the rest of us didn't have fun doing it the way it was intended..

Edit: The only thing that I will agree did become a problem w/ regard to HNM were the Speed Hacks, which I didnt notice as a problem until the Sandworm days.. Yeah fix that..

Double Edit: Cichy, your name is kinda familiar, were you on Phoenix (volume?)

[Cichy]

Who said what YOU did was majestic or noble? These forums still are a riot at times I see.. People can't defend an arguement without making stuff up.. But fine, I'll continue

IF by chance there was a time where your LS was claiming almost everything I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said... Regardless if YOUR LS failed and couldn't get a claim without a bot (which is beyond SAD...), that just a testament to the lack of competition on your server. EVEN IF theres abunch a groups out only with bots, you shouldn't get claim 90% of the time unless the other people simply arent even trying.. If your LS decides to let stuff drop to the ground (again.. fail.., we always had friends either on a waiting list outside the shell, or would sell it someone camping for whatever.. better than letting it drop to the floor...), that's just up to your LS... Basically, just because your LS botted on a server with hardly any competition (so.. so.. fail..), doesn't mean the rest of us didn't have fun doing it the way it was intended..

Edit: The only thing that I will agree did become a problem w/ regard to HNM were the Speed Hacks, which I didnt notice as a problem until the Sandworm days.. Yeah fix that..

Double Edit: Cichy, your name is kinda familiar, were you on Phoenix (volume?)

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

[Alerith]

Too much seriousness in this thread:

Boba Fett playing the Lost Woods theme on the accordion in a subway.

Spread the smiles!

[Firon]

Too much seriousness in this thread:

Boba Fett playing the Lost Woods theme on the accordion in a subway.

Spread the smiles!

Naw they need some of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleS0i4Kgx4

[Oreth]

If you want the full package as per the post from Richard in BG you need to remove PL from the game straight and simple. I returned to the game around 20th of Jan of this year after giving up not long after release. I found myself leveling jobs through Leves having fun getting up into the high teens. Trawling through the wards to get gear etc then was introduced to PL and its all pointless now. Even lvl 15,25,30 gear from NMs now is pointless. I understand its a person choice if they want to PL or not but lets be honest. Get up 10 levels in 1/2 hrs or spend numerous days doing it? Gear from NMs mentioned from 11 had a long life as you went up in levels to the 50s if not more, Emperors hairpin, LL Boots, O.Kotes etc. Just no need for them now. Get a weapon, get PL to 41 do SB party and 50.

I would agree that i would like to see HNMs introduced. Just try implement a system that the reward justifies the challenge and remove the need for people to bot, because thats what FFXI did, forced alot of people into a situation where they either botted to level playing field or simply didnt and seen little or no rewards for hours and hours of camping.

[Elcura]

If you want the full package as per the post from Richard in BG you need to remove PL from the game straight and simple. I returned to the game around 20th of Jan of this year after giving up not long after release. I found myself leveling jobs through Leves having fun getting up into the high teens. Trawling through the wards to get gear etc then was introduced to PL and its all pointless now. Even lvl 15,25,30 gear from NMs now is pointless. I understand its a person choice if they want to PL or not but lets be honest. Get up 10 levels in 1/2 hrs or spend numerous days doing it? Gear from NMs mentioned from 11 had a long life as you went up in levels to the 50s if not more, Emperors hairpin, LL Boots, O.Kotes etc. Just no need for them now. Get a weapon, get PL to 41 do SB party and 50.

XI had a problem too, it was having level 10/20 equipment be viable at 50+

SE can fix PL'ing for all I care, but I hope they don't make the same mistake XI did with having stupidly low level gear be relevant at mid/max level.

[Matsume]

I don't thin ka isaw anyone mention this yet : MAKE NM/HNM DROPS CRAFTABLE (yes like uraeus Doublet) WITH HQ VERSIONS POSSIBLE PLEASE.

[Matsume]

I don't thin ka isaw anyone mention this yet : MAKE NM/HNM DROPS CRAFTABLE (yes like uraeus Doublet) WITH HQ VERSIONS POSSIBLE PLEASE.

Edit this suggestion into the OP please

[Riaayo]

Edit this suggestion into the OP please

Pretty sure I mentioned it a while back, but I completely agree. The way to make people do dungeon / HNM content, while still keeping crafters and crafted gear viable, is to make them drop materials that can be crafted into high-end gear. This way you are not simply farming darklight that replaces any crafted item, and the crafter is left with nothing to do.

Personally, I don't really care all that much and think too much of this game is focused on crafters to the point that they can't properly balance it and keep it fun / motivating for people, but if they can balance it I think it would be really cool.

[ThePatriarch]

Pretty sure I mentioned it a while back, but I completely agree. The way to make people do dungeon / HNM content, while still keeping crafters and crafted gear viable, is to make them drop materials that can be crafted into high-end gear. This way you are not simply farming darklight that replaces any crafted item, and the crafter is left with nothing to do.

Personally, I don't really care all that much and think too much of this game is focused on crafters to the point that they can't properly balance it and keep it fun / motivating for people, but if they can balance it I think it would be really cool.

I agree. In regards to the hopeful NM/HNM system it would be nice to see a balanced drop system that benefits every type of player. Would be kinda neat if, lets say, an HNM dropped some nice gear, along with mats for crafters to craft some epic gear as well.

Also, 600 replies, 144+ likes, Dev's seem to be avoiding this thread!