Highly Notorious Monsters

[Rydin]

Take a deep look at Peptaru's posts, read them thoroughly.

Then take a few moments and flip through the pages of this thread and get a feel, firsthand on how many more supporters there are for HNM's, as compared to those against.

And even still, that is not the point of this thread. I am trying to discuss different methods of how HNM's can be implemented in a manner which appeals to more than just one class of players.

Not discuss why X idea is better than X idea.

Everyone always think their idea is better... and opposing ideas blow cat chunks....
we are by nature, close minded individuals
I just want tons and tons of content... and worthwhile rewards for the more difficult content...
that is all...
However it's implemented... just give me tons of stuff to do

[ThePatriarch]

I just want tons and tons of content... and worthwhile rewards for the more difficult content...
that is all...
However it's implemented... just give me tons of stuff to do

As do we all. I support your post 110% and agree, we need so much more than just HNM's.

HNM's coming into the game would be just one of many things that alot of us wish this game had.

Don't take this thread as an end-all-be all of the content that FFXIV can contain. Take it as just a morsel of what is hopefully to come.

[Elexia]

The one thing I think they need to do...is bring back the special battle music, part of the reason it doesn't feel as exciting is because there's really no special music associated with some of the encounters. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJzD...eature=related

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqY8...eature=related

If music like this started to play when you're fighting say Chimera or an open world HNM, drops be damned it would just be a full rush from hearing the song alone.

[ThePatriarch]

The one thing I think they need to do...is bring back the special battle music, part of the reason it doesn't feel as exciting is because there's really no special music associated with some of the encounters. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJzD...eature=related

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqY8...eature=related

If music like this started to play when you're fighting say Chimera or an open world HNM, drops be damned it would just be a full rush from hearing the song alone.

This is an excellent post. I am honestly surprised that we have come this far into the thread without even a hint at music. You are very right, and I think proper music would bring some much needed light on not only HNM fights, but primarily any fights!

Good post, ty.

/edit. Even a Star Marmot fight would be entrancing with the right music!

[Peptaru]

People don't want HNM for content, they want HNM to flaunt gear. In saying that everyone who camps can't be rewarded while those who choose not to camp are obviously NOT rewarded makes anything you have to say invalid. Attack all you want, idc. People want to epeen and show off gear, this is all this thread is boiling down to, so i said it for you to process it. This is evidenced by people who wouldn't camp if they didn't drop OP gear. 72 times in Ifrit is crappy, so is 300, same as 300 runs.... is someone who has never done ifrit gonna have the weapons? Nope. If they keep working at it they will eventually. Work = reward. Issues with RNG/Drop rates is another mattter. Retort if you want, but this is my last post.

Tl;dr - Don't get butthurt cuz I said people want HNM for epeen, that's all this is about. Just admit it. ^^d

[Elexia]

People don't want HNM for content

I want it for content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ipv7j5Hzo and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcJZV4csiM is considered HNM content as Bahamut is an HNM, just not in the open world, all of his minions are though.

[ThePatriarch]

People don't want HNM for content, they want HNM to flaunt gear. In saying that everyone who camps can't be rewarded while those who choose not to camp are obviously NOT rewarded makes anything you have to say invalid. Attack all you want, idc. People want to epeen and show off gear, this is all this thread is boiling down to, so i said it for you to process it. This is evidenced by people who wouldn't camp if they didn't drop OP gear. 72 times in Ifrit is crappy, so is 300, same as 300 runs.... is someone who has never done ifrit gonna have the weapons? Nope. If they keep working at it they will eventually. Work = reward. Issues with RNG/Drop rates is another mattter. Retort if you want, but this is my last post.

Tl;dr - Don't get butthurt cuz I said people want HNM for epeen, that's all this is about. Just admit it. ^^d

So lets take a deeper look at your post, and disect it.

People only camp HNM's for Epeen, huh? Being that the only true HNM's we have ever seen, are the ones in FFXI, lets examine those, and their drops.

Sure, some people camped them because they wanted to status that came with having that gear. That happens in all aspects of life. People do certain things, because of the status that comes with it.

But even further, lets look at the "gear".

For instance, lets discuss Adaman Hauberk, I'm sure you would admit that in your terms, this is an E-Peen piece. Not only did this piece set you apart in status, but this was also the highest parsing "DD" body in the game for a long time (aside for its HQ Counterpart). How about Defending Ring? Status surely came with this item, but it was also one of the best rings a Paladin could wear (not going to say the best, its debatable). But I'm sure that, even with the proven validity of the amazing quality of these items you would say that people didn't want to use them, they just wanted the E-Peen to wear it in town, right?

Lets go further, for a super long post. Dalmactica.. A Body armor that came from an HNM, this was cool looking, and amazing for Mages for the sole reason that is "refresh". How about Kraken Club, which came from an open world NM to begin with. The single most damaging weapon in the game when coupled with a DRK and his 2 hour? Status came with these items, but so did the ability to outparse your opponents, and take enemies down faster. Items like these took you to another tier, pending you had the skillsets to utilize them properly.

The gear from HNM's set players apart because it enabled them to perform at a higher tier. When you joined an EXP party and saw people decked out in Ebody, with Ridill's and the like, almost all of the time you knew it was going to be a great party.

You can cry all you want about how people only want HNM for epeen, but in all honesty that is an easy cop-out and a poor excuse to prohibit many players from an aspect of a game that they deeply liked.We all know there are many more reasons to camp and kill HNM's.

[Travesty]

So lets take a deeper look at your post, and disect it.

People only camp HNM's for Epeen, huh? Being that the only true HNM's we have ever seen, are the ones in FFXI, lets examine those, and their drops.

Sure, some people camped them because they wanted to status that came with having that gear. That happens in all aspects of life. People do certain things, because of the status that comes with it.

But even further, lets look at the "gear".

For instance, lets discuss Adaman Hauberk, I'm sure you would admit that in your terms, this is an E-Peen piece. Not only did this piece set you apart in status, but this was also the highest parsing "DD" body in the game for a long time (aside for its HQ Counterpart). How about Defending Ring? Status surely came with this item, but it was also one of the best rings a Paladin could wear (not going to say the best, its debatable). But I'm sure that, even with the proven validity of the amazing quality of these items you would say that people didn't want to use them, they just wanted the E-Peen to wear it in town, right?

The gear from HNM's set players apart because it enabled them to perform at a higher tier. When you joined an EXP party and saw people decked out in Ebody, with Ridill's and the like, almost all of the time you knew it was going to be a great party.

You can cry all you want about how people only want HNM for epeen, but in all honesty that is an easy cop-out and a poor excuse to prohibit many players from an aspect of a game that they deeply liked.We all know there are many more reasons to camp and kill HNM's.

Just to use another example, I remember pretty vividly spending several hours with my LS trying to kill Jormungand in XI. Who wanted any of his POS drops? No one, you did it for fun.

[Elexia]

Just to use another example, I remember pretty vividly spending several hours with my LS trying to kill Jormungand in XI. Who wanted any of his POS drops? No one, you did it for fun.

Same with Vrtra, sure it had a cashmere drop, but once the other sources were located, you killed it for fun, not for profit or loot lol.

[ThePatriarch]

Same with Vrtra, sure it had a cashmere drop, but once the other sources were located, you killed it for fun, not for profit or loot lol.

Vrtra, Jormungand, Hydra (lol), there were alot of NM's that people wanted to kill just for the challenge.

And before people go on about them not being challenging, in the early days. I assure you, Vrtra was hard. Jorm was hard. The first couple Hydra attempts were maddening because all of a sudden you starting doing no damage to it, and it regened!

Not all HNM's need to have amazing drops, they can just be very, very hard monsters that linkshells use to hone their talents and become stronger.