Highly Notorious Monsters

[Abhayaa]

The black belt problem is a valid point. However, given the ideas we've discussed about large range spawns and things that make it harder for the same group to claim everytime, not to mention 3x more spawns per day, I don't feel like it would present the same issue as it did in xi. Now inner linkshell favoritism is a problem you'll encounter just as much with instanced content.

On top of this, black belt was never a necessity to play monk. I know I never had one on mine.

[ThePatriarch]

Are you not reading all my stuff? weird cuz you keep replying to it. AGAIN, i'm not even talking about casuals, I'm talking about people who ACTIVELY CAMP THINGS and put in just as much effort as you.... They're not everyone, they're the player base willing to make the effort. It's not like handing out gear. If you can't even pay attention to that detail (that i've brought up before and now again) then i think i'll just stop talking in here. Having a discussion while someone is keeping a closed mind is counterproductive.

Edit for spelling and a PS: Even the time not bein 8 hours was mine. lol.

My response is the same. I did not point out casuals and say they were the ones unable to obtain the gear. I said the general term "certain people"

You want to turn down HNM's because "certain people" won't obtain the gear. That is honestly absurd. Not everyone is going to be able to obtain the items, even if a valid effort is given. Such is life. Please review your own posts before you call others out on not reading "all your stuff". I assure you sir, we are paying attention.

I am not going to cry foul, and try to have HNM's nixed simply because I was not able to obtain a certain item.

[Abhayaa]

True. My thought were that once it came into your prime time zone, it would stay there for a while. 7 or 9 hours or 8.5 might work better.

[ThePatriarch]

True. My thought were that once it came into your prime time zone, it would stay there for a while. 7 or 9 hours or 8.5 might work better.

Good point, I will edit my post to reflect this.

Thank you for your input.

[Peptaru]

I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.

[Elexia]

I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.

XIV wasn't built for anything other than catering to casual playstyle (Guildleves) originally. This environment you speak of already exists in FFXIV and will continue to do so. Do you not see the class/job stacking on raids? While you do make a point that doing anything in MMORPGs these days = get auto rewarded, maybe the first thing they should so is create an environment that does reward work, because as of now you don't really get rewarded or that sense of accomplishment from anything in XIV. You may get a drop from doing Toto-Rak for example, but how often did you get repeats or not the exact item you wanted the first try?

That's no different than HNM hunting.

[ThePatriarch]

If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.

Work = Doing 72 runs of Moogle/Ifrit hoping that the drops might magically come to you, instead of someone who doesn't need it?

Regardless of how much you dislike HNM's, I think it would be foolish to ignore the greater majority of people in this thread that do.

We are trying to stay on a mature basis, and discuss the topic. Rather than stray into immature statements like "go fondle your epeen" and "might just be another e-peener". Statements like this hurt any credibility you might have had.

We don't want HNM's for an ego boost. We want them because of the thrill, excitement, and the literally overwhelming sense of accomplishment that comes with them. And yes, it is nice to wear those "elite" items.

[Exni]

Work = Doing 72 runs of Moogle/Ifrit hoping that the drops might magically come to you, instead of someone who doesn't need it?

Bah, you beat me to it..

Yeah, Pep's WHOLE argument on Work = Reward in FFXIV is completly wrong. Not just dungeon runs, but OMG can you say PL.. How about those people who sat around doing nothing but got max 50's in a week or two vs those that leve'd or partied with similar level peeps? What about those who turbo spam (or bot...) crafting vs those who actually used leve's and/or tried for higher exp synths? What about in DH where in order to get the highest "reward", you literrally try to do the least amount of work and skip through it all? What about being able to get insta-ported to anywhere in the world w/o ever having to have traveled anywhere before?.. Yeah.. you may want to rethink that one..

[Rydin]

If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had.

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Regardless of how much you dislike HNM's, I think it would be foolish to ignore the greater majority of people in this thread that do.

I just dont know who to believe anymore...

[ThePatriarch]

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I just dont know who to believe anymore...

Take a deep look at Peptaru's posts, read them thoroughly. Here is an example:

I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.

Work = Reward? Between PL's and a Instanced Raid system with a loot distribution method that is broke worse than America's Economy, I don't really take his posts seriously. And "This system being better than XI's system", really explains why XI was much, much, much more successful and had a much, much, much larger playerbase.

Then take a few moments and flip through the pages of this thread and get a feel, firsthand on how many more supporters there are for HNM's, as compared to those against.

And even still, that is not the point of this thread. I am trying to discuss different methods of how HNM's can be implemented in a manner which appeals to more than just one class of players.

Not discuss why X idea is better than X idea.