Highly Notorious Monsters

[Sephrick]

yet it's strange how WoW is turning into pokemon meets farmville yet still has far more challenging content than anything in this game, right?

i'd say you wouldn't know anything about that (as the equivalent of doing 13 dps on ifrit would never get you a raid slot in guild doing hard mode progression) but you'd probably just make up a bunch of stories about how you were in the best guild in WoW on server X and then someone from that server can just see your comment, laugh and call you out again.

Nah, I never bothered with WoW.

But if you want to rehash how leet you think you were in 1.19 because you used the animation cancel glitch to up your DPS we can.

As for my time in end game linkshells on Ramuh and, briefly, Asura, all I can say is I fought against all the HNMs and experienced content like the entire CoP line pre nerf. Whether or not we remember each other is irrelevant.

[ThePatriarch]

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Guys, lets please try to keep this on topic of Highly (Hyper) Notorious Monsters. If there is any anger/flaming that needs to go on please keep it in messages or some other form of communication. I would like to keep this thread clean, and open for more ideas/suggestion on how HNM's could be placed into FFXIV. We have had great feedback thus far, minus a few derails. Lets keep it up

[Dubberrucky]

So...from the way I see it, this thread is divided into two groups:

Those who want HNMs and would do them if they were implemented.
Those who don't want HNMs, but regardless of if they were implemented or not, it doesn't affect them.

Hmmmm....

You missed the other group. Those of us who have posted in support giving HNM hunters their HNMs but wouldn't camp them if our lives depended on it. But this was probably an intentional oversight in order to flame the opposing side.

[Peptaru]

I still vote for trophy drops only. Those who want to camp can camp. Thrill of competition.... people don't want that. They want something to make them feel superior... I vote yes to camping, no to amazing items.

"People will only camp if there are good rewards to motivate them" So that boils down to, "people want better items than others have to feel superior"?.... gogo trophy drops. Trophies are almost by definition given as rewards to a select few, how is this a bad idea!?

[Strange]

I still vote for trophy drops only. Those who want to camp can camp. Thrill of competition.... people don't want that. They want something to make them feel superior... I vote yes to camping, no to amazing items.

"People will only camp if there are good rewards to motivate them" So that boils down to, "people want better items than others have to feel superior"?.... gogo trophy drops. Trophies are almost by definition given as rewards to a select few, how is this a bad idea!?

If it would be a trophy drop maybe a materia meld option?

[Levian]

Questions:

1. Open world NMs only? Instanced and item pop NMs only? Both?

Both. I see no reason why they couldn't do both, since other games have inevitably wound up that way.

2. Timed Spawns? None (Item and instanced pops only), short (5 minutes from ToD)? long (1 hour from ToD)? super long (24-72 hour spawn)? conditional (i.e. weather conditions)? mixture of all of these?

I would think a variety would be best. Probably even more so if the reward was equivalent to the length of time it took to appear. There was a reason LoO had such rigorous pop conditions.

3. Rewards? Uber open world NM rewards? decent open world NM rewards? useless trophy rewards? Based on spawn conditions?

The more the merrier, I'm inclined to say base it on spawn conditions. But you should also base it on how difficult you made it comparative to other game content. If it takes an hour to whittle an open world NM down and 10 minutes to kill an instance boos, I think the rewards should reflect that. If the difficulty of defeating the two are equivalent, so should the quality of the reward.

4. Open world Spawn area? One set spot? Random over several spots? random over an entire zone? Roaming?

Again this is something that should vary. In context of the thread, I'm going to assume open world. Some could spawn in a pretty confined area, while others would have random spawn points. Same for the amount of roaming they do. It would make sense for a Wyrm to take flight and roam all over, a goblin king on the other hand may be more inclined to chill in his throne room.

5. Bonus question: Should people outside the claiming party be able to attack open world NMs?

Only if they add a call for help function, in which case you can receive outside help but loose the reward. I don't think that should be NM specific though, so there's that.

For the record, I was never an NM camper. I would lend a hand here or there if, for example, I was farming near SSG when Charybdis popped. But that was about the extent of my NM action.

[TheFatHousecat]

animation cancel glitch

[Clydey]

Nah, I never bothered with WoW.

But if you want to rehash how leet you think you were in 1.19 because you used the animation cancel glitch to up your DPS we can.

As for my time in end game linkshells on Ramuh and, briefly, Asura, all I can say is I fought against all the HNMs and experienced content like the entire CoP line pre nerf. Whether or not we remember each other is irrelevant.

I have no interest in participating in a dps dick-measuring contest, but I can assure you no one in BG exploited any such glitch.

[Dubberrucky]

I still vote for trophy drops only. Those who want to camp can camp. Thrill of competition.... people don't want that. They want something to make them feel superior... I vote yes to camping, no to amazing items.

"People will only camp if there are good rewards to motivate them" So that boils down to, "people want better items than others have to feel superior"?.... gogo trophy drops. Trophies are almost by definition given as rewards to a select few, how is this a bad idea!?

Completely agree with this post. I do not mind spending long periods of time to acquire a certain quality of gear but the idea of being forced to stand around board camping for it or even interrupting what I am doing in-game to go camp a HNM in order to keep up is unappealing without a suitable alternative option as well.

[Rydin]

Both. I see no reason why they couldn't do both, since other games have inevitably wound up that way.



I would think a variety would be best. Probably even more so if the reward was equivalent to the length of time it took to appear. There was a reason LoO had such rigorous pop conditions.



The more the merrier, I'm inclined to say base it on spawn conditions. But you should also base it on how difficult you made it comparative to other game content. If it takes an hour to whittle an open world NM down and 10 minutes to kill an instance boos, I think the rewards should reflect that. If the difficulty of defeating the two are equivalent, so should the quality of the reward.



Again this is something that should vary. In context of the thread, I'm going to assume open world. Some could spawn in a pretty confined area, while others would have random spawn points. Same for the amount of roaming they do. It would make sense for a Wyrm to take flight and roam all over, a goblin king on the other hand may be more inclined to chill in his throne room.




Only if they add a call for help function, in which case you can receive outside help but loose the reward. I don't think that should be NM specific though, so there's that.

For the record, I was never an NM camper. I would lend a hand here or there if, for example, I was farming near SSG when Charybdis popped. But that was about the extent of my NM action.

Good points... Most people seem to feel this way... I don't know what all the arguing and disagreement is about
Its like congress... we all agree on core concepts and then we get all angry and up in arms over the details