Highly Notorious Monsters

[Rydin]

I think the new claiming system took everyone by surprise in 1.19

The original Problem
While killing a MOB... if other MOBs aggroed... and they died before the first MOB did, you would get ZERO credit for the kill... No loot... No XP.
This was especially stupid (that's not even exaggeration... It was pretty stupid) in leves.. which were open world instanced, the MOBs were yours and yours alone... and yet you could only "Attack the 1 red MOB!!!!!!"

What the community asked for? (I hate to use words like "we" when speaking only for myself... I know it's pretentious... but if it makes you feel better, the "we" can just refer to me and my LS)
The ability to claim multiple MOBs or at the very least.. get credit (XP and Loot) for killing MOBs that weren't claimed

What we got?
We actually got what we asked for but they also slid in the ability to attack MOBs claimed by others, even though I never saw anyone ask for this.

The problems it caused
1. Power-leveling was now possible because some high level character outside the party could slaughter everything for you.
2. Anything open world can now be super-zerged by as many people as you can muster. that was pretty much Yoshi saying he had no regard or serious plans for any open world NMs. You can zerg a stronghold with 40 people and clear it easily in minutes... but whats the ultimate reward? a "chance" at a cuirass that isn't worth using? Mask of the Mortal Hex?

Being Able to attack MOBs already claimed is one of the biggest things hurting this game. It works against the abolishment (I guess firefox doesn't think "Abolishment" is a word) of PLing and also against the idea of new open world NMs

[Sephrick]

Being Able to attack MOBs already claimed is one of the biggest things hurting this game. It works against the abolishment (I guess firefox doesn't think "Abolishment" is a word) of PLing and also against the idea of new open world NMs

Accept it's not a problem, because it's by design. Yoshida said he wants people to be able to PL from outside the party. And no one wants claim wars so all is well.

[Jinko]

Accept it's not a problem, because it's by design. Yoshida said he wants people to be able to PL from outside the party. And no one wants claim wars so all is well.

Well it is a problem, just Yoshida doesn't think it is. :P

I am the same. I really cannot state enough how much I would like a trophy for moghouse or a little trinket to wear or something. Maybe a useless hat made out of an NM skull or something. ^^

Now your talking !

[Abauge_Goga]

I definatelly want HNM, just not open world roaming ones. That will lead to whoever has the first bot to claim it and waste 3 hrs for others. That is not competition, that is cheating and SE won't be able to control it.

Give us huge flying beasts, be them dragons or other kinds, give us huge things to fight, but make it instanced. Make it so parties can alliance kill them, just please do not make them open world.

That will ruin it for a lot of people.

OP, i know it may have seemed like a great idea at the time in FFXI, but that is because that was all we had. Once they made them instanced, people still played and enjoyed it.

[Peptaru]

Again I vote for giving HNMs TERRIBLE DROPS! Kill them for pride, Kill them for a title, Kill them for something to do, but giving them awesome drops breeds hate and flame wars and GM's called on everyone and drama llamas will run rampant, use their black materia, and then meteor will land and the world will crack and the devil will come out and MPK everyone then HE'LL get GM'd! and so on....

It can be a big rush to camp&claim, but doin it just for stuff is dumb. I like the great buffalo fight, its fun! Does he drop great stuff?.... I wonder why he's never camped..... inb4 "he's easy" ya, he kinda is, let's see who can do him with the fewest members! stuff like that i'm in favor of.

[Yves]

Again I vote for giving HNMs TERRIBLE DROPS! Kill them for pride, Kill them for a title, Kill them for something to do, but giving them awesome drops breeds hate and flame wars and GM's called on everyone and drama llamas will run rampant, use their black materia, and then meteor will land and the world will crack and the devil will come out and MPK everyone then HE'LL get GM'd! and so on....

It can be a big rush to camp&claim, but doin it just for stuff is dumb. I like the great buffalo fight, its fun! Does he drop great stuff?.... I wonder why he's never camped..... inb4 "he's easy" ya, he kinda is, let's see who can do him with the fewest members! stuff like that i'm in favor of.

I am the same. I really cannot state enough how much I would like a trophy for moghouse or a little trinket to wear or something. Maybe a useless hat made out of an NM skull or something. ^^

[Sephrick]

I am the same. I really cannot state enough how much I would like a trophy for moghouse or a little trinket to wear or something. Maybe a useless hat made out of an NM skull or something. ^^

I could fully support HNMs in all their former glory if their drops were trophy items that were just something to show off as town gear or in a publicly-accessible portion of Free Company housing like a trophy room.

Sounds like a great way to make everyone happy.

[Abauge_Goga]

I could fully support HNMs in all their former glory if their drops were trophy items that were just something to show off as town gear or in a publicly-accessible portion of Free Company housing like a trophy room.

Sounds like a great way to make everyone happy.

If you eliminate the super gear and you make it like a trophy style, which cannot be "sold" chances are you aliminate botting.

It's a great idea and I fully support it. This would give everyone bragging rights too.

[ArnoMorley]

Again I vote for giving HNMs TERRIBLE DROPS! Kill them for pride, Kill them for a title, Kill them for something to do, but giving them awesome drops breeds hate and flame wars and GM's called on everyone and drama llamas will run rampant, use their black materia, and then meteor will land and the world will crack and the devil will come out and MPK everyone then HE'LL get GM'd! and so on....

It can be a big rush to camp&claim, but doin it just for stuff is dumb. I like the great buffalo fight, its fun! Does he drop great stuff?.... I wonder why he's never camped..... inb4 "he's easy" ya, he kinda is, let's see who can do him with the fewest members! stuff like that i'm in favor of.

Not much point in killing them if they don't drop something good lol. We could go fight level 90 gobs if we wanted to, wouldn't be any point.

What's wrong with wars with other shells? I personally enjoyed them. Never forget one fafnir the other shells were doing other events so after we killed it our entire shell went and changed our titles to nidhogg slayers. Because of that when other groups saw us later they thought nid popped and only sent people to get faf's tod the next day then poof nid popped.

Without claim wars there's no chance to pull off something epic like that.

@sephrick
the 18-20 hour respawn is a compromise, making it instanced is cutting out what the other side wants entirely. That's what's not a compromise. Just because there were 3 hour windows doesnt mean people were there for 3 hours. If you cut the windows down to 2 hours then it will most likely pop by the 1 hour mark.

@abhayaa
I think it's way more than 20% though, it's like I said why would people who had quit vote on it? and it's still something that's seen as a negative but makes the game better so even if the other 80% thinks they don't want it I'm sure half of those would enjoy it.

[Peptaru]

Not much point in killing them if they don't drop something good lol.

This is why I don't believe most people who say they like camping. They don't. They just wanna show off gear from these mobs. Removal of gear doesn't prevent you from camping these things for enjoyment.