Highly Notorious Monsters

[Jeronlmo]

That is stagnant.


I think your idea of endgame is missed placed. You see, I call sky/sea/abyssea/voidwatch as a whole, endgame. Not pop windows.

You are correct for once , I am so used to people saying it was falling and abyssea saved it so I apparently skimmed over.

My idea of endgame is not misplaced, because I do not consider HNM's even close to all of endgame, esp in FF11 terms, HNM's was something HNM LS's did as filler when no events were happening. A game without filler is WoW where people literally to be considered engame are only required to log in for 2hrs a week, if that, because only 1 raid is relevant at a time and it has a week lockout, all extra time playing is socializing and transmogging your gear to become as naked as possible.

[Alhanelem]

When you list your personal bad experiences with lets say HNM's, thats your ls, that is valid, you hate windows because your LS would 100% have to be very inefficient to not consider HNM's as anything but downtime between events.

Hey look, another personal attack. You just don't get it, do you? Slamming me or the people I play with isn't an effective means of argument.

It wasn't that I had "bad experiences" with HNMs. I was part of a very successful LS for several years. That doesn't mean that HNM were my favorite part of that experience- And just because I didn't enjoy this or that, doesn't mean that me or my LS mates were doing a poor job. You are basically trying to argue that "If you didn't like the HNM experience, then your LS must be bad." That is both false and a logically fallacious argument. My personal level of enjoyment of certain aspects of HNM does not imply any attributes or qualities of the other players I went to HNM with. I've defeated nearly every HNM in FFXI at least once, that doesn't mean that there are no aspects of the system that are flawed.

Just in case you're not familiar with the type of fallacy you're employing, here's the wikipedia entry for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Kryptic]

HNMs are not filler content. You couldn't do HNMs while you were waiting for something else to happen, because they would happen at set times of day. "filler content" implies it's something you can do while you're waiting to do something else. but when the "filler content" HNMs have better loot than the rest of the content, everything else is more like filler content for HNMs.

And no, the few people are not more than I think. The people who participated in HNMs were a small minority of total active players in FFXI. And then the portion of those people who actually liked the part about sitting at the camp doing nothing for hours is a small subset of those players.

All I'm against and people seem to keep glossing over this, is spawn windows. You don't need them. I don't care how many days the HNM takes to spawn- I only care if when the HNM is due to spawn, I have to go and sit there waiting for it to come for a random amount of time and then when my group doesn't win the claim, I just threw away 3-4 hours- what's worse is you couldn't just leave when you didn't win, because "they might wipe" (though rarely did they ever). So that's even more time wasted. I remember staying at a Tiamat for 7 hours waiting for another group to wipe (so including the time spent camping, we were there ALL DAY doing NOTHING most of the time). If you think that's reasonable, I want some of the drugs you're taking.

Timed pop? Sure. Fine! Spawn windows? hell the *bleep* to the no.

and the game will be that much better off without them. Hopefully when they find no modern games that still have these "old school" mechanics, they'll realize how unhealthy it was.

The linkshell I was in back in FFXI used HNMs as filler content. In between events if anyone managed to get a window for an HNM we would go while waiting for Sea or Salvage to start. A lot of people did this.

[MikeXiv]

I dont understand why people oppose to any type of content that's suggested. If you don't like it then don't do it. When you go to the mall there is a variety of clothing stores something for everyone. If the store doesnt suit your needs you won't go in there correct? If your upset because its the only way to obtain that piece of gear then tough shit there is tons of other armor. I also speak on for both sides of the fence. I would never go for a relic in xi it was too time consuming and boring when i seen someone with it i would congratulate. In no way shape or form i would feel i deserve something rare without putting effort

[schism]

Exactly. It's a pretty simple concept that some ppl cant comprehend.

I dont understand why people oppose to any type of content that's suggested. If you don't like it then don't do it. When you go to the mall there is a variety of clothing stores something for everyone. If the store doesnt suit your needs you won't go in there correct? If your upset because its the only way to obtain that piece of gear then tough shit there is tons of other armor. I also speak on for both sides of the fence. I would never go for a relic in xi it was too time consuming and boring when i seen someone with it i would congratulate. In no way shape or form i would feel i deserve something rare without putting effort

[Phe]

I dont understand why people oppose to any type of content that's suggested. If you don't like it then don't do it.

It's not that easy.
In fact, if there are HNMs there are also Free Companies to camp them.
And most of them will also use some form of DKP system for endgame.
So if i want to have the same chance for getting my endgame gear
and not camping HNMs, i have to look for a FC that doesn't do HNM.

a) that reduces the number of free companies to choose for my playstyle
b) what if most of my friends go to a free company that does HNM?

-> Hence i'm negatively affected just by the fact that HNMs are in the game, even if i don't want to bother with it.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

Now that i have a bit more knowledge, I think "roaming HNM" can still be applicable, with F.A.T.E, that way no body is getting screw, they can join in the fight and still be able to claim exp and loots, of course fun to down a HNM with many, many players = more harder roaming HNM

[Kikosho]

Also leads to it being nearly impossible to find a ToD once youve lost it.

That is completely fine.

And I see you still haven't picked up on my point. It was blatant and blunt. I want to play the game, not fill the time with something else cause the only option the game provides me is to wait. The 30 minute spawn window is just an archaic design flaw. LS "competition" for HNMs was about as competitive as playing one game of Paper, Rock, Scissors. The fact you still think the methods of FFXI are fine as is is unsettling.

[Xatsh]

It's not that easy.
In fact, if there are HNMs there are also Free Companies to camp them.
And most of them will also use some form of DKP system for endgame.
So if i want to have the same chance for getting my endgame gear
and not camping HNMs, i have to look for a FC that doesn't do HNM.

a) that reduces the number of free companies to choose for my playstyle
b) what if most of my friends go to a free company that does HNM?

-> Hence i'm negatively affected just by the fact that HNMs are in the game, even if i don't want to bother with it.

If you look to XI there was more linkshells (Free companys in XIV) that did endgame without hnms then there was those who did it with Hnms.

And as you can see there are alot of people who are just completly against hnms, in any form besides one that anyone can just walk up and fight, (Fate basically). So getting a FC of like minded people should be easy. If se would implement them right and do it without making the drops exclusive to only hnms it would not effect you at all.

[Jeronlmo]

It's not that easy.
In fact, if there are HNMs there are also Free Companies to camp them.
And most of them will also use some form of DKP system for endgame.
So if i want to have the same chance for getting my endgame gear
and not camping HNMs, i have to look for a FC that doesn't do HNM.

a) that reduces the number of free companies to choose for my playstyle
b) what if most of my friends go to a free company that does HNM?

-> Hence i'm negatively affected just by the fact that HNMs are in the game, even if i don't want to bother with it.

Ok, here we go.

I do not like PvP, some free companies will do PvP, so no more PvP.

I do not like RPing, some free compainies will simply RP, no more RPing.

I do not like anything I consider an out-of-date dungeon/raid, so people can no longer run these.

Edit: If this is truely the reason you are against this content, you need to go back to Hello Kitty Online because every MMO, even the gimp ones have guilds doing something that they would prob never invite you to. If this is actually your attitude I and many others here would never invite you reguardless of HNM's.