Question: Should gil be removed from the game?

[Archaell]

We can give them people instead of mechanism. Let the mentors ban chat - retainers - crafting / gathering - combat specifically. The duration of said ban based on the number of mentors who "reported" the bot.

For example:
A player is gathering using a bot. A mentor can then ban their gathering for 3 hour once a day. If two mentors report them during a month they get ban for 24 hours instead. If 3 mentors do it, they get gathering ban for a week etc. Then we just need a GM to collect the heavily reported players for a permanent solution and maybe another GM to remove the mentor status from players who abuse the system.

[NessaWyvern]

This would work. Let the mentors jail the bots on sight. Then come up with "I am not a bot" system for real players to remove said jail. Plenty of free labour in the game.

Runescape had players randomly be teleported onto instances that had minigames to complete, and you get rewarded for completing them, to try and curb bots. Bots would usually get stuck in there for a while.
It was basically a "I am not a bot" thing that didn't need any GMs

[Kokonji]

Well, MB seems to be, generally speaking, broken down in the following catagories.
1. Gear
2. Mats
3. Crafted items (Housing furniture, meals, potions etc)

With the exception of high end crafted gear, you can already buy all the gear on the MB from vendors.
And what you can buy from vendors you also get simply from doing quests.

Same goes for mats, most of the older stuff you can get from vendors, current stuff you have to farm.

Housing furniture can simply be moved to beast tribe vendors and sold for their currency.

That just leaves a few vanity items on the MB (mounts, minions)
So the MB seems kind of redundant.

Of course removing the MB would pretty much make crafting obsolete, and I rather enjoy crafting.

So, uhh... just remove MB altogether do you mean...?
I don't think this is a good solution...
if everything is sold on generic npc, then it would render crafter job useless..
if some is on crafter item or beast tribe, this could lead to too many grinding...
you want this generic furniture thing ? you just need to level your crafter or beast tribe to max
how about this gear or glamor? too bad, you have to level this other crafter or this other beast tribe
this high level food or potions ? this other crafter and this other beast tribe

mind you I have several crafter job leveled up, but not all player have enough time and dedication to level them

Barter only? Trading items for items?

Imagine how many shout/pm/spam you'll get for some trader to advertising their items...
not only you'll feel the "direct" competition of rmt bots, the legit trader will have to suffer through this...
not to mention the saltiness level of traders who think his items is much more worthy than the other traded item... (which will sometimes broke while the trade window is open to "discuss" how much item is traded)
add to that the mix of different language besides English...

[KageTokage]

I do agree they should have some kind of system in place to keep track of how many times specific players are being reported, because logically, anyone who is not doing something scummy would not be getting regularly spammed with reports from different people unless it's a collaborative effort to try to get someone wrongfully banned. Even then, it would only be an issue if you actually were doing something wrong and the STF/GMs decided to check up on you due to all the reports being heaped on.

I don't agree with the idea of giving mentors that much power when it's not uncommon for them be involved in the very practices they should be discouraging, though.

[Tomoebi]

Speaking about barter. Warframe already do that. However the community built a website called warframe market, which is basically a hub for seller to adv their items. The transaction is done face to face between seller and buyer, which kinda makes it more intimate compared to buying straight from MB.

However it is time consuming, because seller and buyer need to be at the same place to make a transaction. Its not rare to get a PM from buyer when you are in the middle of a mission and when you done, the buyer already bought it from someone else.

Although for me the real answer to this problem is by introducing socialism and progressive tax. Or.. maybe just forbid/limiting gil transfer between players.

[Krojack]

Should gil be removed from the game? Or made non-transferable?
It seems to me it would solve most of the bot and RMT issues.

RMT'ers don't sell tomes or other in game currency because they can't.
Would also stop house flippers and run sellers.

Any way, just thinking out loud.
/discuss

Whats wrong with "run sellers"? I personally could care less if someone wants to pay another person gil to get carried though some content to get a mount. What I DO hate is the people cluttering up party finder to spam their offer for said runs.

[Arthem]

As long as there are items, currencies, services, etc that people are willing to pay real money for there will always be the supply to meet that demand and RMT will never go away. You'd have to delete the whole game to get rid of it. I mean, people pay others money to level up their K/D ratio in shooters even (ridiculous lol).

Online games themselves create a "black market" just by existing. It sucks, but that's just the reality of it.

[Zarabeth]

No thanks!!!

[Hugowulf]

Next people will ask if loot should be removed.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Should gil be removed from the game? Or made non-transferable?
It seems to me it would solve most of the bot and RMT issues.

RMT'ers don't sell tomes or other in game currency because they can't.
Would also stop house flippers and run sellers.

Any way, just thinking out loud.
/discuss

No. If we're going to remove things that people can exploit for money, we might as well remove dungeons and Raids while we're at it and just make FATEs the main draw of the game.