Question: Should gil be removed from the game?

[Tomoebi]

Speaking about barter. Warframe already do that. However the community built a website called warframe market, which is basically a hub for seller to adv their items. The transaction is done face to face between seller and buyer, which kinda makes it more intimate compared to buying straight from MB.

However it is time consuming, because seller and buyer need to be at the same place to make a transaction. Its not rare to get a PM from buyer when you are in the middle of a mission and when you done, the buyer already bought it from someone else.

Although for me the real answer to this problem is by introducing socialism and progressive tax. Or.. maybe just forbid/limiting gil transfer between players.

[Krojack]

Should gil be removed from the game? Or made non-transferable?
It seems to me it would solve most of the bot and RMT issues.

RMT'ers don't sell tomes or other in game currency because they can't.
Would also stop house flippers and run sellers.

Any way, just thinking out loud.
/discuss

Whats wrong with "run sellers"? I personally could care less if someone wants to pay another person gil to get carried though some content to get a mount. What I DO hate is the people cluttering up party finder to spam their offer for said runs.

[Arthem]

As long as there are items, currencies, services, etc that people are willing to pay real money for there will always be the supply to meet that demand and RMT will never go away. You'd have to delete the whole game to get rid of it. I mean, people pay others money to level up their K/D ratio in shooters even (ridiculous lol).

Online games themselves create a "black market" just by existing. It sucks, but that's just the reality of it.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

It would also only stop one form of RMT, the selling of Savage clears, EX trial clears, Ultimates and their drops for real money is also RMT.

Haha why you think all the dodgy partyfinders ask you to contact them on discord. You cant carry a person in ultimate or high savage and they wont train you.

They want to run it on your account for real cash.

[NessaWyvern]

I think they should just forbid new accounts from transferring gil via mail/trades if they want to hinder RMT because their accounts are never made to last.

Even just a one week restriction on such would make things rather difficult for them.

Not sure if anybody has said this yet, but, you'd have to prevent money transfer in and out of FCs as well, since a lot of bots use that for moving money around.

[NessaWyvern]

This would work. Let the mentors jail the bots on sight. Then come up with "I am not a bot" system for real players to remove said jail. Plenty of free labour in the game.

Runescape had players randomly be teleported onto instances that had minigames to complete, and you get rewarded for completing them, to try and curb bots. Bots would usually get stuck in there for a while.
It was basically a "I am not a bot" thing that didn't need any GMs

[Zarabeth]

No thanks!!!

[Hugowulf]

Next people will ask if loot should be removed.

[alimdia]

Barter only? Trading items for items?

I think this is how it works in Path of Exile.

The thing is once you remove gil people will start using a common item as the equivalent of gil.

If Crit VIII is worth 50k gil, then people will start using Crit VIII as the new currency, selling a minion for 10 Crit VIII, selling gear for 20 Crit VIII. And then what do you think bots will do? Farm Crit VIII as their new currency.

Or they should give us GW2 marketplace and block gil sending/giving and block taking gil from company bank.

If you check the gw2exchange subreddit, people already started using mystic coins as commodity to bypass the gold limit.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Should gil be removed from the game? Or made non-transferable?
It seems to me it would solve most of the bot and RMT issues.

RMT'ers don't sell tomes or other in game currency because they can't.
Would also stop house flippers and run sellers.

Any way, just thinking out loud.
/discuss

No. If we're going to remove things that people can exploit for money, we might as well remove dungeons and Raids while we're at it and just make FATEs the main draw of the game.