Question: Should gil be removed from the game?

[Johaandr]

It wont stop run sellers thats for sure. And House flippers will stay due to the design-"flop".
As for RMT i have no clue honestly. They will always find a "way" i mean they could mass spam dungeons for tomes and sell the materials.

[Penthea]

As long as people can trade things of value, there will be bots and gil/item sellers. Removing gil wouldn't be enough. You would have to outright remove the ability to trade.

Also bots will remain anyway because some people use them to gain xp, not items or gil.

[Awha]

I do think people are starting to up sell the RMT problem in this game. Granted I saw the reddit threads where zones were locked out due to bots, but that seems to be the few and far.

[Dirwen]

A month ago I saw hordes of bots flying everywhere but now not so much. I don't know if bans are happening or they got their bot programs fixed to not appear in pubic anymore.

Anyway the fight against RMT is a long standing one and will never see an end. Even if you lock everything behind tome like currency people will pay RMT to play their characters to grind for them. Don't underestimate the lazy people with a lot of cash to burn.

[KageTokage]

I do think people are starting to up sell the RMT problem in this game. Granted I saw the reddit threads where zones were locked out due to bots, but that seems to be the few and far.

I find the RMTers to be more of an unsightly annoyance then a serious problem.

The other "normal" types of bots are both unsightly and cause problems for other players both directly and indirectly, whether it be by dragging down dungeon/PvP groups or controlling the economy, but virtually nothing is done about them.

They've stepped up their efforts towards the RMT bots as they've been getting purged every few days as opposed to only once a week, but they're definitely not the real problem here.

[Elladie]

I find the RMTers to be more of an unsightly annoyance then a serious problem.

The other "normal" types of bots are both unsightly and cause problems for other players both directly and indirectly, whether it be by dragging down dungeon/PvP groups or controlling the economy, but virtually nothing is done about them.

They've stepped up their efforts towards the RMT bots as they've been getting purged every few days as opposed to only once a week, but they're definitely not the real problem here.

I have to say that, in playing the game since launch, I've never experienced any of these other 'normal' bots apart from the occasional group of cloned black mages standing inside the FC chest in Ul'dah. I once, years ago, came across a bot farming diremite webs (he was doing the teleport thing) but his bottling programs clearly weren't very refined as I was still getting most of the mobs in normal fashion with my BRD. This is seriously the only time I've encountered a single farming bot, and I am an avid gathererer and crafter. I've no experience of massive undercutting bots on the MB either.

I don't want to dismiss your experiences, but they differ so widely from mine, I can't help feeling you exaggerate a touch. Especially since you bring this up in pretty much every thread you post in, even if it's completely unrelated to RMT. I see your name, and I think 'no point reading that post, it will just be a bot rant ....'

[Taebok]

I've no experience of massive undercutting bots on the MB either.

I hadn't either, but since SB came out, I've noticed things that for years had been selling at 200, 300, 600k and had been selling briskly and without complaint, suddenly started selling for 20, 30, 60k and the board was just flooded with them.

[KageTokage]

Gil really is in an awkward spot as housing is the only sink that eats up a significant amount of the stuff and with how limited it is the amount of gil being generated is far, FAR higher then how much is being consumed even without factoring in things like gil farmers.

It's largely a currency of convenience at this point, though I'm not sure what removing it would accomplish.

I have to say that, in playing the game since launch, I've never experienced any of these other 'normal' bots apart from the occasional group of cloned black mages standing inside the FC chest in Ul'dah. I once, years ago, came across a bot farming diremite webs (he was doing the teleport thing) but his bottling programs clearly weren't very refined as I was still getting most of the mobs in normal fashion with my BRD. This is seriously the only time I've encountered a single farming bot, and I am an avid gathererer and crafter. I've no experience of massive undercutting bots on the MB either.

I don't want to dismiss your experiences, but they differ so widely from mine, I can't help feeling you exaggerate a touch. Especially since you bring this up in pretty much every thread you post in, even if it's completely unrelated to RMT. I see your name, and I think 'no point reading that post, it will just be a bot rant ....'

It really depends on the server. I routinely see over a dozen different people doing conga lines between gathering nodes (Repetitive/identical movement patterns are the biggest giveaway) at night on Cactuar, though it doesn't help that I'm in the Hawaii timezone and thus active when most players are asleep.

A lot of these players have been in it for the long haul, so Omega being a newer server also makes it less likely to have many of them.

There also isn't a "massive" amount of undercut bots as they're not publicly sourced for obvious reasons. There's only a single player I find extremely suspect for the fact that they're almost always DoL botting and undercutting in between every single unspoiled node they visit. It doesn't seem reasonable to think this guy is actually sitting at his PC and manually adjusting his prices that often if he's already automating one part of the process.

But yeah, I admit do have a tendency to rant about subjects I'm passionate about like gathering/crafting and hunting and should probably work on that for the sake of not being disliked by others.

I hadn't either, but since SB came out, I've noticed things that for years had been selling at 200, 300, 600k and had been selling briskly and without complaint, suddenly started selling for 20, 30, 60k and the board was just flooded with them.

SB severely reduced the difficulty of crafting with the introduction of Prudent Touch.

ShB only trivialized it further with the introduction of Delicate Touch and also introduced Reuse which allows for the mass production of items previously limited by their rare materials, so I'd blame those factors for any significant price bombing.

[Taebok]

SB severely reduced the difficulty of crafting with the introduction of Prudent Touch.

ShB only trivialized it further with the introduction of Delicate Touch and also introduced Reuse which allows for the mass production of items previously limited by their rare materials, so I'd blame those factors for any significant price bombing.

Well, crafting has never been difficult, especially if you know how to copy and paste a macro.
But I was more talking about housing items where quality doesn't enter into the equation.

[Nanami_Naniwa]

Let's just take this serious for a second - How is this going to work? Just remove all the gil from one day to another? What about the folks who played for years and earned a steady amount of gil? Speaking of maybe 50m / 100 m / 200m. Are they just losing it? With no compensation? Just bad luck for hours and hours of gathering, crafting and MB caluclations?

I wouldn't even say that I'm completely against a remove of gil (I'm in favor of adding something to control the gil flow better because right now we have the super rich and the super poor and it gets worse) but I wonder how this would be effective implemented.