Would you like to see more fights with permanent fall death?

[Samsta]

In titan, when a player falls he is permanently dead. This is the only fight in the game if I remember correctly that does this, every other fight when player falls from the platform they are brought back after a delay so they can be resurrected.

Do you think this kind of punishment is good? Would you like to see it more? As combat resurrecting is really easy and common in this game it's pretty harsh and I would actually like to see this being brought back in a savage fight, where it would obviously affect the difficulty of other mechanics.

One negative thing is that one player is pretty much excluded from the fight if he falls, but realistically if you fall at any other point than the last 30% of the fight you are probably gonna wipe it anyways due to enrage. I would like this to be taken into consideration in some savage fight since it's pretty unique and we haven't seen it since titan.

[Raldo]

Leviathan, Ravana, and Bismark as well. You'll notice that it's always old content. At some point during HW, they seem to have made a deliberate decision to move away from this (Sophia / Sephirot have arenas that would support it, but I don't think that they do this?), so I doubt they'd re-introduce it. They have commented on it in the past, but I don't recall where or what they said. Perhaps someone else can find it.

I'd be fine with either way, but I also don't do savage content, so my opinion isn't worth much.

[Samsta]

Leviathan, Ravana, and Bismark as well. You'll notice that it's always old content. At some point during HW, they seem to have made a deliberate decision to move away from this (Sophia / Sephirot don't do this, despite having arenas that would support it), so I doubt they'd re-introduce it. They have commented on it in the past, but I don't recall where or what they said. Perhaps someone else can find it.

I'd be fine with either way, but I also don't do savage content, so my opinion isn't worth much.

I am fairly sure that all of those bring you back to the arena after you fall, titan is the only one that doesn't.

[Raldo]

I am 100% certain that Leviathan EX does not bring you back. The railings only break in EX mode, however, so it's only possible in EX.

Ravana and Bismark I'd be willing to be wrong about, but I am fairly sure that once you're out, you're out. Can't test it by myself though.

[CrimsonGunner]

i think doing permanent death throughout the entire run might be too punishing, but if there will be certain phases or certain mechanics that if you dont survive/fail mechanics its perma death for that person.
for example, you could still fall and be resurrected anytime but once you get to a certain phase and you fall during it,your out of the fight.

[AnimaAnimus]

I am fairly sure that all of those bring you back to the arena after you fall, titan is the only one that doesn't.

Nope Levi, Ravana and Bismarck, once you are out you are out of the fight. Titan is just the only one that doesn't show you the arena afterward, you just stare at your body

[Samsta]

I am 100% certain that Leviathan EX does not bring you back. The railings only break in EX mode, however, so it's only possible in EX.

Ravana and Bismark I'd be willing to be wrong about, but I am fairly sure that once you're out, you're out. Can't test it by myself though.

Really? I was sure that leviathan specifically brings you back, I could be wrong about the other two. I remember so clearly that after you fall to the water you are brought back to the arena. Is that only for spectating then? So you still can't be resurrected? Because you certainly don't stay in the water.

[Vnolan]

Ozma (3.3) was probably the first content that returned players to the field after falling. Levi, Rav, Bis and Seph all remove the player permanently if they fall.

Do you think this kind of punishment is good? Would you like to see it more?

No and no. All it does is waste the party's time for one person's mistake. If someone dies during several sections of savage there is a high chance of a wipe, but there can be a recovery. As bad as it can be in ARR Titan, that fight can be completed while missing members, including a tank and healer.

Imagine how long it would have taken to get weekly/first clears for Weeping City if players were removed for falling during Ozma. If permadeath was in Sophia EX, would she get new mechanics if someone fell? No. The only difference in mechs would be the party would have to open their eyes for pairing colors.

But above all else, players can implement this change themselves. Simply don't raise players that fall off and if healer LB3 is used, have the raised jump off. How many groups do you think do this? Of those, how many do you think do it while learning the fight?

[Raldo]

Is that only for spectating then? So you still can't be resurrected? Because you certainly don't stay in the water.

Yeah, they bring your camera back so you can still see what's going on (it's probably in the best interest of the dead folks to see how others are successfully doing mechanics), but your corpse is nowhere to be seen/targetted. You're definitely right that Titan is the only one that keeps the camera on your corpse down there (does it still do that?). It's been literal years since I've fallen off of there that I'd forgotten that it just leaves you to suffer looking at your dead body down there, lol.

[Samsta]

Ozma (3.3) was probably the first content that returned players to the field after falling. Levi, Rav, Bis and Seph all remove the player permanently if they fall.

But above all else, players can implement this change themselves. Simply don't raise players that fall off and if healer LB3 is used, have the raised jump off. How many groups do you think do this? Of those, how many do you think do it while learning the fight?

I respect your opinion but this is a pretty stupid argument, obviously it has been taken into account that players can be resurrected, if they could not be resurrected that would affect other mechanics (make them less hard, punishing, or the player could only fall during certain time etc.) thus I would think it could be an interesting mechanic in some fight, to even have a phase where 1 mistake means perma death.