How would people feel about the melees getting to share the same gear

[Liam_Harper]

It could do with some tidying. For example, the Facet Plate Belt of Aiming and Scouting are completely identical in every way, except for the class tag.

[wereotter]

It could do with some tidying. For example, the Facet Plate Belt of Aiming and Scouting are completely identical in every way, except for the class tag.

That, if I'm not mistaken, is also a relatively recent change. If I recall correctly Aiming and Scouting gear used to have differing levels of vitality or defenses.

Though the main benefit to having scouting separate from aiming is the fact that you don't have to compete for left side gear with three other jobs. This is especially important when it comes to the 24-man raids. If you, as a ninja, have to compete for drops with dancer, machinist, and bard, then you will have to do more runs to get an item than other players. Tanks, on paper, have this problem, however in the example of the 24-man raid, while there are 4 tanking jobs, there is only ever one tank on the team. And at worst, and healer will only ever have to roll against the other healer. If anything, the ranged jobs should get more set options than the melee jobs getting less.

If nothing else, that is the main reason to keep so many separate gear sets for melee jobs.

[Taranok]

That, if I'm not mistaken, is also a relatively recent change. If I recall correctly Aiming and Scouting gear used to have differing levels of vitality or defenses.

Though the main benefit to having scouting separate from aiming is the fact that you don't have to compete for left side gear with three other jobs. This is especially important when it comes to the 24-man raids. If you, as a ninja, have to compete for drops with dancer, machinist, and bard, then you will have to do more runs to get an item than other players. Tanks, on paper, have this problem, however in the example of the 24-man raid, while there are 4 tanking jobs, there is only ever one tank on the team. And at worst, and healer will only ever have to roll against the other healer. If anything, the ranged jobs should get more set options than the melee jobs getting less.

If nothing else, that is the main reason to keep so many separate gear sets for melee jobs.

While your observations are technically correct, your conclusions are not. Because there's always 2 tanks or 2 healers competing with each other in raids, albeit gearing for raids is no longer remotely close to an actual problem now because chests drop that guarantee an item for any class that gets it.

There is one reason, and only one reason, that gear like Ninja is kept separate from Bards. Class Identity. The devs don't want bards wearing stealthy eastern clothing, or ninjas wearing flamboyant performer clothing. They want classes to have a different aesthetic from each other, even if it sometimes leads to confusing things like Machinists getting performance attire or Red Mages using bulky robes.

The best solution will be to find a way to let classes share gear without letting them share aesthetics, but that's a topic for another day.

[Reynhart]

While your observations are technically correct, your conclusions are not. Because there's always 2 tanks or 2 healers competing with each other in raids, albeit gearing for raids is no longer remotely close to an actual problem now because chests drop that guarantee an item for any class that gets it.

The most notable gear competition has been for the 24-man raid for a long time. Since Alex normal, drops are not gear but items to obtain them, and I think Savage raid is tackled most of the time by premade groups, that have time to discuss gear disbtribution.

But who knows, maybe the YoHra raid will also use the chest drop system, making everyone compete with each other for everything.

There is one reason, and only one reason, that gear like Ninja is kept separate from Bards. Class Identity. The devs don't want bards wearing stealthy eastern clothing, or ninjas wearing flamboyant performer clothing.

Except that "flamboyant performer clothing" are very rarely "Ranged" gear but BRD gear. Specific job gear would still be job-specific, but role gear can be spread without any issue since they bear much less class identity. If you look at what the dev used for Elemental gear in Eureka, they didn't have any issue using the same skin for Tanks and Dragoons, or a single skin for all "light clothed" physical DPS.

The best solution will be to find a way to let classes share gear without letting them share aesthetics, but that's a topic for another day.

Glamour. The aesthetic is what you want it to be anyway. My heavy bulky Gunbreaker tank...wears Squall's outfit.

[wereotter]

While your observations are technically correct, your conclusions are not. Because there's always 2 tanks or 2 healers competing with each other in raids, albeit gearing for raids is no longer remotely close to an actual problem now because chests drop that guarantee an item for any class that gets it.

24-man raids, which is what I was referring to, only have one tank per team, and two healers.

If you have four DPS jobs sharing left side gear, especially with as popular jobs like ninja and bard have historically been, then you are sentencing those jobs to running more times than other players who have less competition for drops they can use when they appear. In 24-man raids, tanks get whatever gear their job needs and they want since there's no competition. Healers are only competing against their co-healer. DPS jobs have no built-in security to getting items, you might end up in a team as a bard with another bard, and machinist, and a dancer meaning you already have three other players to compete against for drops.

Having more jobs, especially DPS jobs who already deal with more potential for competition for raid gear, share just will further this frustration.

[Deceptus]

While your observations are technically correct, your conclusions are not. Because there's always 2 tanks or 2 healers competing with each other in raids, albeit gearing for raids is no longer remotely close to an actual problem now because chests drop that guarantee an item for any class that gets it.

There is one reason, and only one reason, that gear like Ninja is kept separate from Bards. Class Identity. The devs don't want bards wearing stealthy eastern clothing, or ninjas wearing flamboyant performer clothing. They want classes to have a different aesthetic from each other, even if it sometimes leads to confusing things like Machinists getting performance attire or Red Mages using bulky robes.

The best solution will be to find a way to let classes share gear without letting them share aesthetics, but that's a topic for another day.

You act like any of that matters when many people glamour.

It's long time for Ninjas and Dragoons to share loot with someone else or each other. Them having a separate gearing system does nothing but add item bloat to our inventories.

[Lersayil]

You act like any of that matters when many people glamour.

It's long time for Ninjas and Dragoons to share loot with someone else or each other. Them having a separate gearing system does nothing but add item bloat to our inventories.

They often laze out on maiming and scouting sets, settling for a recolor, but do we really want to get rid of the (admittedly small amount of) unique armor models we do get for them once in a blue moon?

Inventory flooding is an issue, but I would argue that combat job gear is but a small pebble in the pond compared to what crafting classes contribute.

[Taranok]

You act like any of that matters when many people glamour.

It's long time for Ninjas and Dragoons to share loot with someone else or each other. Them having a separate gearing system does nothing but add item bloat to our inventories.

I mean, it does matter, otherwise the devs would have merged the melee gear by now. So if you have a problem with the fact that it matters, take it up with the devs. I was stating WHY it's still designed this way. Not THAT it was designed this way. It purely is kept separate because of class identity and aesthetics. If enough players want that changed, it probably can be, but that is WHY it's still designed this way.