If running a parser makes you cynical and depressed, why do it?

[Alynn]

No, it's not an obligation, it's absolutely a courtesy. Again, these are story dungeons scaled specifically so new players who don't know what they're doing can still progress without issue. It's their content; designed for them. Would it go faster if everyone was in HQ gear pulling perfect rotations? Sure... It's not anyone's responsibility to make it as fast as humanly possible for you, though.

There's content specifically designed for your mindset and content specifically designed for casual play. Story dungeons are casual. If they're not AFK and the content is moving along without wipes, which it always does, then there's no issue.

Actually no. As long as it's put into duty finder the content "belongs" to anyone who queues up. And that includes the 3 other people in the party who's time is being wasted because someone cba to learn. In fact, if it belongs to that one person then they should just go solo it themselves. They can't because it doesn't work like that lol.

I don't care about going as fast as humanly possible. I care that people are pulling their weight. 30+ minutes for a dungeon is not a respectable amount of time lmao. Again, I'm not asking for you to know a perfect rotation. I'm asking people to know some semblance of what they SHOULD be doing. There's some competent sprouts out there because they open their eyes and try to understand their tooltips. Just open your eyes and read 4head game2hard am I right? If you go all the way up to expert roulette and tell me you're not at the very least AOEing or only spamming goring blade/rage of halone with no req or something of that sort, there's something fundamentally wrong.

If it wasn't an obligation do you really think SE themselves, Champion of the Casuals, would release a book that tells people how to play their class????

[Goji1639]

Actually no. As long as it's put into duty finder the content "belongs" to anyone who queues up. And that includes the 3 other people in the party who's time is being wasted because someone cba to learn. In fact, if it belongs to that one person then they should just go solo it themselves. They can't because it doesn't work like that lol.

I don't care about going as fast as humanly possible. I care that people are pulling their weight. 30+ minutes for a dungeon is not a respectable amount of time lmao. Again, I'm not asking for you to know a perfect rotation. I'm asking people to know some semblance of what they SHOULD be doing. There's some competent sprouts out there because they open their eyes and try to understand their tooltips. Just open your eyes and read 4head game2hard am I right? If you go all the way up to expert roulette and tell me you're not at the very least AOEing or only spamming goring blade/rage of halone with no req or something of that sort, there's something fundamentally wrong.

If it wasn't an obligation do you really think SE would release a book that tells people how to play their class????

Roulettes are optional, and story content is in them specifically so new players won't have ridiculously long queue's. You get rewarded for running them, and get rewarded moreso for running them with new players. That's your incentive to deal with the pitfalls of running casual content with new players. If it's not worth it then again, roulettes are optional.

Also, if it were an obligation then you could report people for not knowing basic stuff. The only obligations are to contribute and make progress.

[Alynn]

Roulettes are optional, and story content is in them specifically so new players won't have ridiculously long queue's. You get rewarded for running them, and get rewarded moreso for running them with new players. That's your incentive to deal with the pitfalls of running casual content with new players. If it's not worth it then again, roulettes are optional.

Also, if it were an obligation then you could report people for not knowing basic stuff. The only obligations are to contribute and make progress.

Yeah it's called kicking people for having difference in playstyles. Don't BabyRage at me if I do it because I repeatedly tell you to AOE or to not eat the AOES lmao. I don't go out of my way to correct people most of the time since its really trivial. But if I SEE YOU NOT AOEING or doing some mad chaos, you'd best believe I'm going to gently remind you a few times and if you still refuse you're getting the boot.

How do you contribute and make progress when you don't have a sturdy foundation? Do babies start running before they start walking now or what?

[Goji1639]

Yeah it's called kicking people for having difference in playstyles. Don't BabyRage at me if I do it because I repeatedly tell you to AOE or to not eat the AOES lmao. I don't go out of my way to correct people most of the time since its really trivial. But if I SEE YOU NOT AOEING or doing some mad chaos, you'd best believe I'm going to gently remind you a few times and if you still refuse you're getting the boot.

How do you contribute and make progress when you don't have a sturdy foundation? Do babies start running before they start walking now or what?

You can technically vote kick someone for any reason, but if you're kicking new players for not knowing their class or abilities it likely won't end well for you if the new player decides to report you.

Gentle reminders are fine. Even a vote kick is fine if the group is stalemated because of a player who doesn't know his class and can't figure it out right there. If things are moving along fine, however, there's really no justification. It's just being petty.

[Mavrias]

You can technically vote kick someone for any reason, but if you're kicking new players for not knowing their class or abilities it likely won't end well for you if the new player decides to report you.

Gentle reminders are fine. Even a vote kick is fine if the group is stalemated because of a player who doesn't know his class and can't figure it out right there. If things are moving along fine, however, there's really no justification. It's just being petty.

Sorry, homie, but if i have to tell you to AoE or the basics of your rotation more than once in a level 75 dungeon you're getting the boot. And if youre wearing terrible gear itll be the swiftest, most silent kick in the midwest. "Well, there wasnt a wipe," is an awful justification for being a bad party member.

I have tons of patience for new players. That patience starts wearing mighty thin at level 60 and up.