Market Board QoL

[Krojack]

I can't tell you how many times I've spent more per item only because I didn't want a stack of 99. Often I only want 10 or just 1.

When I post items I do them in smaller stacks and they seem to sell faster anyways. I don't know why people still do full 99 stacks.

[ForteNightshade]

For some reason this suggestion has been made several times in the past and has always met with very strong disapproval from the community, even if it were only optional. People seem to be under the impression it would crash item prices.

I'd be all for it myself.

It would.

Being able to list small stacks is our only means of combating bots who typically throw up x99. If people could buy portions of their stacks, it means bots will always have that edge because any price they list it for is pure profit.

Yes, this is very much needed.
The way it is now just puts all the power in the hands of the sellers.

Literally this entire expansion has been about making everything easier for buyers. Prices have dropped to such low extremes, it's not even worth touching the i450 sets—which is supposed to be the crafting endgame.

I can't tell you how many times I've spent more per item only because I didn't want a stack of 99. Often I only want 10 or just 1.

When I post items I do them in smaller stacks and they seem to sell faster anyways. I don't know why people still do full 99 stacks.

Because they're most likely bots who don't care one way or another. They make profit regardless of when things sell because they weren't even playing the game when they crafted it.

[Liam_Harper]

Being able to list small stacks is our only means of combating bots who typically throw up x99. If people could buy portions of their stacks, it means bots will always have that edge because any price they list it for is pure profit.

Fair point.

It's a shame so many things in the game are limited, restricted or less convenient just to combat bots.
If it wasn't for bots I'd still be all for it. The argument you'd have to undercut more isn't taking into account far more sales, even if I could gather the stuff myself if I could buy 8 ore and I'm right beside a mb I'd buy them.

I notice it most when I'm doing the craft x items achievements. It's such a waste of items. I'll quite often buy a cheap stack of 52, use 3 of them and discard the other 49.

[Maxcrafter]

Partial stack purchases seems like a nice option IF it can be disabled, optionally, by the seller on a per-stack basis. One of the greatest free market features is that of lower price for higher quantity. If purchasers can bypass that at will, it very likely is no longer a free market, but is something else. I'm pretty sure I'd find another game to play if mandatory partial stack purchases are introduced.

Metaluna

[SamSmoot]

WoW just did this. All the items of the same type and price got into "buckets" that sell last-in, first-out. Buyers see a list of all of these, in order or price. If the number you input to buy exceeds the amount in the lowest-price bucket, it just lights up successive ones at increasing prices, and your items are delivered from all of them.
(Not sure what happen if someone else buys the same things you're setting up before you do though.)

Something like this should increase sales as well. Currently, if I need 5 of something, and someone is selling 5 at a reasonable price, I'll buy them. However, if they're only selling 99 at a time, I'll just go out and gather it myself, no matter what their per-item price is.

https://youtu.be/sf_pgSFgrBE?t=188

[LalafellDown]

The full stack buying is so much better. There’s strategy behind selling a big stack at low price or a small stack at high price.some people go for the low stack at higher price because they only need a few. This way you don’t really have to under cut all day. I personally buy small stacks at a bit higher price because I don’t need 99 of the item.

Allowing players to buy a single unit from the 99 stack will cause even more undercutting because now it’s all about the lowest price and not the quantity.

[Nanami_Naniwa]

I 100% agree with ForteNightshade.

In the end it is bots that profit and would even encourage to bot more because it will be much easier to get their botted stuff out. While people who try to work their way around the MB will be in a disadvantage.

The reason we don't sell in smaller stacks is the limit of items we can sell at a time. I would love to offer you 1 / 2 / 4 / 8 / 10 stacks of an item. But it eats up a lot of retainer slot that I could use to sell other stuff as well.

And if you - as a buyer - are not willing to pay the price for my 99x stack (although I rarely sell 99x stacks), then neither you or I make anything out of it. So there is no winner.

When you say: "If there are only 99x stacks listed then I go and farm it myself." - Please do so. Because I went out there. And farmed it at some point. And now I'm selling it. I put in time to get these items - and now I want to get gil for the time I spent working for the ones who are hopefully buying from me.

And I want to sell it to my conditions. And not put it in a pull with a bunch of bots and a bunch of others and wait if or if not my stuff or the bot stuff get sold first.


And honestly - at the moment most items are dirt cheap - especially from crafting. Heck, I haven't touched any crafted gear after the first week of 5.05 because the Prices crashed so fast that it is nearly impossible to pull even a decent reward for the time it takes to craft them.

[ForteNightshade]

And honestly - at the moment most items are dirt cheap - especially from crafting. Heck, I haven't touched any crafted gear after the first week of 5.05 because the Prices crashed so fast that it is nearly impossible to pull even a decent reward for the time it takes to craft them.

I don't know what the prices are on Spriggan but on Cactuar, it's actually better to craft the mats for the i450 gear than the gear itself. In four years, I've never once seen any of the crafted sets drop below six digits except maybe the last few weeks of an odd numbered patch. Unfortunately, Shadowbringers made crafting into a complete joke which caused the markets to become comically oversaturated. What's so frustrating about this is it removes any real endgame for crafters. The highest level crafts are worthless passed the first couple weeks. That leaves consumables—which have serious bot problems—and older stuff that I don't even need to be level 80 for. Let alone have good gear.

There's a good reason Ashe, one of FFXIV's best known crafters, called his Shadowbringer macro: "CraftingIsDead"

[TwistedTea]

I don't know what the prices are on Spriggan but on Cactuar, it's actually better to craft the mats for the i450 gear than the gear itself. In four years, I've never once seen any of the crafted sets drop below six digits except maybe the last few weeks of an odd numbered patch. Unfortunately, Shadowbringers made crafting into a complete joke which caused the markets to become comically oversaturated. What's so frustrating about this is it removes any real endgame for crafters. The highest level crafts are worthless passed the first couple weeks. That leaves consumables—which have serious bot problems—and older stuff that I don't even need to be level 80 for. Let alone have good gear.

The majority of players don't care. They just want stuff cheaper. They also seem to want crafting(endgame) to be dumbed down so that they can make the 'easy gil'. Oh and desynth is being made 'simpler' as well.

Not realizing that when supply exceeds demand, profit margins will go down.

Sure it was a problem, on the less populated servers with high prices.

Throughout Stormblood, SE told us more difficult recipes would be coming...they never did. I expect throughout Shadowbringers, SE will tell us that more difficult recipes will be coming...but not gonna hold my breath on that one.

I think many crafter/gatherer mains have already realized, there are more efficient things to do in terms of profit than crafting/gathering.

[RyuSaarva]

I don't know what the prices are on Spriggan but on Cactuar, it's actually better to craft the mats for the i450 gear than the gear itself. In four years, I've never once seen any of the crafted sets drop below six digits except maybe the last few weeks of an odd numbered patch. Unfortunately, Shadowbringers made crafting into a complete joke which caused the markets to become comically oversaturated. What's so frustrating about this is it removes any real endgame for crafters. The highest level crafts are worthless passed the first couple weeks. That leaves consumables—which have serious bot problems—and older stuff that I don't even need to be level 80 for. Let alone have good gear.

There's a good reason Ashe, one of FFXIV's best known crafters, called his Shadowbringer macro: "CraftingIsDead"

there are other items which sell like glamour, furniture etc, personally I have never sold hardest to make items, I just make them for myself or friends at the beginning of the patch and then don't do them ever again which makes me forgot my rotations so I have to figure them out again in every patch.