Anyone else concerned by the extremely low skill ceiling?

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Raids in WoW still take a few weeks to complete nowadays.

WoW often has three times more bosses per raid tier than FFXIV. There are usually at least ten bosses each tier. FFXIV only has four bosses per raid tier, with the exception of one Coils tier that has five as far as I recall.

So yea of course it takes several weeks to complete a raid tier in WoW. There are significantly more bosses.

What I'm asking for is a slight increase in difficulty, so that the more hardcore players can complete the raid in a week or so while the rest of the population can still clear before the release of the next tier.
That way we wouldn't have a huge population of raiders who only log in for their Savage clears on Tuesday and then log out for the rest of the week, or worse, unsub until the new patch get released, making SE lose potential money.

That's going to happen regardless of what difficulty of content there is in the game. Even casual players have those sort of logging and subbing habits. That's just how some people are. The game's content is not entirely to blame for that. Not everyone does these things out of a lack of things to do. Sometimes people just want to do something else other than FFXIV. I have seen this happen in every multi player game I have played.

As for making content slightly harder, I'm okay with that but I don't see it having the effect you desire from it. As mentioned before, people make habits of logging in rarely at times or unsubbing regularly regardless of their skill level or goals in gaming. Everyone is different, and some people like to have a change of scenery more often than others.

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So yea of course it takes several weeks to complete a raid tier in WoW. There are significantly more bosses.

That's not the reason WoW raids take longer to clear. Most bosses in WoW are cleared on the first day by the hardcore guilds, it's usually the last two bosses that are the roadblock.
Those two bosses alone can take up to 2 weeks to be defeated, and it's because they're really hard fights with extremely tight DPS and healing checks. Something that we haven't seen in Savage fights for years.

people make habits of logging in rarely at times or unsubbing regularly regardless of their skill level or goals in gaming. Everyone is different, and some people like to have a change of scenery more often than others.

That's true, but I think most people who play FFXIV to raid wouldn't unsub before at least having cleared the current raid tier, unless they're really bored by the game in general. Having cleared the raid tier in just a few days is the final nail in the coffin for them.

[Penthea]

That's not the reason WoW raids take longer to clear. Most bosses in WoW are cleared on the first day by the hardcore guilds, it's usually the last two bosses that are the roadblock.

Those two bosses alone can take up to 2 weeks to be defeated, and it's because they're really hard fights with extremely tight DPS and healing checks. Something that we haven't seen in Savage fights for years.

I didn't realise we talking about the progress of literally a handful of guilds in the entire game. I thought we were talking about how hardcore guilds in general fare in progression, given that was what was being talked about when I entered this conversation

And there are some things you need to consider.

Firstly tiers often last far longer in WoW than in XIV. I have experienced raid tiers that lasted well over eight months. So it makes sense to make the bosses more difficult if you want the content to be able to last long within that time frame for your average raid teams.

Secondly the attitude and methods towards deaths is very different. In WoW you don't have access to essentially endless combat resses due to long cds and that very few classes can combat res. We often called a wipe the second somebody died because, for example, we needed to save the res for later in the fight. In FFXIV this attitude towards deaths is far less common due to ressing having no cd, every class who can res having access to an instant cast, and of course the existence of heal LB3.

What this means is in FFXIV you're far less likely to waste several minutes on a pull only to call for a wipe, because you usually res and just keep going, mechanics permitting. You can even res multiple times and keep going, and even still get a kill. In WoW if someone dies too early in the pull, you often just wipe it and start again. This means more wasted time.

That is not to say raiding in FFXIV is easier, some aspects are harder, but deaths are generally significantly less punishing on both progress and time. And then add to the fact that raid teams in WoW are bigger and the more people you have, the more likely it is that someone will mess up.

There are other differences of course but these are among the main reasons why WoW progression takes longer than FFXIV. It's just a different raid environment. Some stuff is harder, some is easier.

Anyway we're going off on a tangent now. The whole point of bringing up WoW was to show that an increased frequency of kills does not necessarily equate to raiding content becoming easier. Not to make direct comparisons of their raiding environments.

That's true, but I think most people who play FFXIV to raid wouldn't unsub before at least having cleared the current raid tier, unless they're really bored by the game in general. Having cleared the raid tier in just a few days is the final nail in the coffin for them.

While that is true, having more difficult content won't change raid logging. That inevitably happens when the amount of goals a player has shrinks due to completing them.

Also raiding can be stressful or intense. Sometimes people raid log during progression to get a break from the game, and then will play other content after they have cleared everything in raiding.