Anyone else concerned by the extremely low skill ceiling?

[Nestama]

I just wish they removed rewards/achievements from uncynced content.

Mounts/top tier equipment/tittles are not required to complete MSQ anyway.

I disagree. After running multiple EX Trials and seeing multiple dogs go to people who have spent most of the fight judging whether the floor is soft or firm, it's nice to be able to go back into those fights overpowered and spend less time in them (unless they're Byakko and Suzaku). Plus it makes me less likely to put my blacklist into proper use (like I did when I actually did those EX Trials when they came out. It's frustrating when people make the same mistakes and don't listen to very helpful advice. More so when those same people get the dog mount. I don't like carrying people and like it even less when they're rewarded for it).

At least Ultimate will never be unsyncable. So those weapons and titles will always be exclusive to those who earned them.

[Novae]

People still die in LoTA so idk?
I see people crying a lot about the lack of difficulty in 5.0, but add a very difficult dungeon in EX roulette and you'll see the same players dropping instantly because "they don't want to waste their time in said content". I look at you Orbonne Monastery (which isn't even remotely hard).

[PyurBlue]

I see people crying a lot about the lack of difficulty in 5.0, but add a very difficult dungeon in EX roulette and you'll see the same players dropping instantly because...

Not likely, there are many people playing the game. When you see opinions flip flop it's because different people are sharing their opinions. You can't treat an entire community as a single entity.

[Novae]

You can't treat an entire community as a single entity.

Never said that. I'm pointing at people crying about how easy 5.0 is, which is mostly a forum/notevenareddit thing. Same people claiming they rather take the 30 min penalty then wasting their time in Orbonne with randos, but asking for more difficult content.
I just don't understand what they really want? More difficult content for everyone and having to do deal with DF/PF or just difficult content for their private little group of friends, founded by the whole community?

[Billythepancake]

Never said that. I'm pointing at people crying about how easy 5.0 is, which is mostly a forum/notevenareddit thing. Same people claiming they rather take the 30 min penalty then wasting their time in Orbonne with randos, but asking for more difficult content.
I just don't understand what they really want? More difficult content for everyone and having to do deal with DF/PF or just difficult content for their private little group of friends, founded by the whole community?

Most people I see, me included, are not asking for more difficult content, I have savages and ultimates for that, what I want is something for my class to do in normal content. I want to be able to do more then spam broil/art of war when I go do dailies. From what I understood, that's what the thread was supposed to be about. Not about the content, but the classes you do the content on not having enough depth to them.

[ADarklore]

Skill ceilings used to be higher because the number of people playing were much lower, but now due to console players and more people getting into PC gaming... there is no longer the 'elitist majority' in MMOs anymore. If MMOs want to make money today, and they are a BUSINESS after all, they have to cater to the majority of players- which today, are casual players who just want to jump on after work and run a few dungeons and log off. They don't want to turn the MMO into their 'other job' where they have to spend hours studying and trying to build the perfect rotation to meet the newest meta or grind for days to acquire the current BIS gear. Interesting how we still have people bemoaning their bygone days of early WOW... they still cannot accept that MMOs have changed, and what 'used to be' for MMOs is no longer the case.

[Arthrun]

Skill ceilings used to be higher because the number of people playing were much lower, but now due to console players and more people getting into PC gaming... there is no longer the 'elitist majority' in MMOs anymore. If MMOs want to make money today, and they are a BUSINESS after all, they have to cater to the majority of players- which today, are casual players who just want to jump on after work and run a few dungeons and log off. They don't want to turn the MMO into their 'other job' where they have to spend hours studying and trying to build the perfect rotation to meet the newest meta or grind for days to acquire the current BIS gear. Interesting how we still have people bemoaning their bygone days of early WOW... they still cannot accept that MMOs have changed, and what 'used to be' for MMOs is no longer the case.

Quoted for it mirrors my feelings on this exactly.

[Dadbod]

Dying = less DPS from weakness debuff, which means a higher chance of wiping to the enrage timer. This naturally becomes less of an issue as time goes on and gear gets better. Early in the tier even a single death is enough to deny a clear.

XIV is actually stricter then a lot of MMOs with how handles death as the nature of several of its mechanics require that the entire team be alive for them be executed properly, otherwise it'll snowball into even more deaths or a wipe.

Maybe I worded my post poorly.. I don’t mean there isn’t a penalty for being raised during the fight... I mean there is no penalty for wiping the fight... you just try again.. and again.. and again and there is no penalty for failure at all except for the penalty of not succeeding...

[Samsta]

Maybe I worded my post poorly.. I don’t mean there isn’t a penalty for being raised during the fight... I mean there is no penalty for wiping the fight... you just try again.. and again.. and again and there is no penalty for failure at all except for the penalty of not succeeding...

Yeah? So it's a problem we can start the fight again after failing? What do you propose, a lock out if you die? That's pretty absurd.

[Noitems]

Maybe I worded my post poorly.. I don’t mean there isn’t a penalty for being raised during the fight... I mean there is no penalty for wiping the fight... you just try again.. and again.. and again and there is no penalty for failure at all except for the penalty of not succeeding...

The penalty for wiping a fight is wasted resources and time. Lots of lots of time that adds up as a whole especially if your team really starts failing at about 7 min in or so.

It sounds like you want to do content like Baldesion Arsenal where the penalties for dying are far more strict due to the unconventional ways to raise and the threat of being kicked out by certain mobs.