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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruceo View Post
    There is absolutely 0 acceptable reasons that people should be required to sit around spam-clicking a sign for HOURS, praying to RNG gods that they get the opportunity to purchase a "feature" of the game all while we are paying for game time to play.
    The experience is less fun than buying a house IRL.
    Instanced housing, or infinitely generated districts are far more acceptable of a solution than this RNG timing.
    Until this is fixed, I find it to be a joke to call it a "feature" of the game.
    Please post the reason why the game forces you to spam-click a placard, because as it stands, there is no requirement for Housing beyond FCs. But with an FC house, it's still not a REQUIRED thing. An FC can get by and do all of its things without ever owning a house. The Workshop / Voyage system is optional.

    To that end, you can call it whatever you want. Continue to ignore and avoid the general information about that answers why Instanced Housing isn't feasible and that "infinitely generating districts" is a stupid idea. That'll get you liked.
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    It isn't a perfect system, but it is what we have. Placard spamming is the result of players trying to flip houses for insane profits though. Depending on the housing situation on one's server you can bypass the RNG timer by relocating from another plot, but other plots have to be available either by being owned by you directly or by simply sitting there empty. Costs a bit more gil (1.5-4 million extra usually) but it's a great feature if it can be utilized if you have a specific plot in mind.
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    How can you trade a house to someone using the plot relocation function?

    Quote Originally Posted by saxman09 View Post
    People overly exaggerated the RMT problem and this has become way worse by miles and it didn't evem get rid of RMT. As the only way to RMT is through the complete broken, timer bypassing plot relocation function.
    I am curious to know how you can trade a house to someone else using the plot relocation function?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fym View Post
    I am curious to know how you can trade a house to someone else using the plot relocation function?
    You can't. A Personal House cannot go to anyone else. FC Houses, on the other hand.. They belong to the FC in its entirety, regardless of the leader or members it holds. It's that loophole people are now exploiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kruceo View Post
    SE needs to continue to see people being angry with their broken house buying system or they will not have an incentive to fix it.
    Despite the fact they've already said they know about it and are trying to fix it? Wards 19 - 21 is already evidence that they're trying to appease, but it's going to take a lot more time for them to test the waters and find a system that doesn't involve camping a placard, but at the same time, is still "fair" to everyone.

    Relocating is still going to be a d*ck thing to do, but it'll remain as not everyone is malicious with said relocation. In fact, plenty of people say out loud where they relocated from so people at the plot get first notice of a new vacancy. Not much of an apology, but it's better than ignoring them all-together.
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    Last edited by Kenky; 10-23-2019 at 11:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruceo View Post
    Until this is fixed, I find it to be a joke to call it a "feature" of the game.
    Is it broken if it's working exactly as intended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Continue to ignore and avoid the general information about that answers why Instanced Housing isn't feasible.
    And why instanced housing isnt feasible? Im lazy to google so just want to know main points against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    And why instanced housing isnt feasible? Im lazy to google so just want to know main points against it.
    The short answer is server strain. They would have to change things about how data is stored and accessed to facilitate proper instanced housing. I'm sure it is more than that. It obviously would cost time and money to create this content and I suppose SE would rather pump those resources into other content instead.

    SE are able to create instanced housing. Whether they want to or not is another thing altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    The short answer is server strain. They would have to change things about how data is stored and accessed to facilitate proper instanced housing. I'm sure it is more than that. It obviously would cost time and money to create this content and I suppose SE would rather pump those resources into other content instead.

    SE are able to create instanced housing. Whether they want to or not is another thing altogether.
    Server strain is the reason they can't easily add lots of new wards to the existing housing areas.

    The main reason against instanced housing (other than the possibility of the developers simply not liking the idea) is that it would take a lot of work to make it happen - work which they would prefer to spend on other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Server strain is the reason they can't easily add lots of new wards to the existing housing areas.

    The main reason against instanced housing (other than the possibility of the developers simply not liking the idea) is that it would take a lot of work to make it happen - work which they would prefer to spend on other things.
    Incorrect.

    The legitimate reason why "Instanced housing" is currently not possible is because of how players retain their data-packets and how the server deals with said data. In order to make Instanced Housing (Not meaning apartments) a plausible thing, it would require a bolt-on to the framework, if not a full-on rework of the data-management. Which is incredibly costly and not a surefire guarantee that it'll fix the issues.

    The servers (Congested ones, at least) already have issues with load-stammering and random disconnects from Packet-loss skyrocketing for no reason beyond Burden being too high. We legit do not have much to work with at the current state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    In order to make Instanced Housing (Not meaning apartments) a plausible thing, it would require a bolt-on to the framework, if not a full-on rework of the data-management. Which is incredibly costly and not a surefire guarantee that it'll fix the issues.
    This is why I think we won't see an instanced housing system introduced outside of an expansion launch - some have speculated that the Ishgard housing may be an instanced housing system, but we'll have to wait and see (I wouldn't get your hopes up). Improvements to apartments are more feasible - and there have been a number of fairly workable suggestions on how something like that might work. But it would still take SE time to implement and I don't think we'd get any promises from them regarding the implementation. They have acknowledged that housing is an issue. The release of wards 19-21 is (hopefully) a bandaid while they work on long term fixes.
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