Horrifyingly bad experience

[Kenky]

I don't give two shakes about your analytics or your website. Many know what you're about and you love to troll anyone about housing and spew nonsense about much of it. But hey they can go look up your previous posts for themselves. It's quite entertaining.

What is most hilarious is that I wasn't even talking about player trade of plots, but you go on ahead spew whatever nonsense you wish, because this is what you're infamous for anyway, well aside from greediness. Don't expect me to congratulate you on your profit from hoards of houses you owned and say you sold. You deprived quite a few out of owning plots and now do you expect a pat on the back? Sorry no can do little one.

Or you could, just.. Y'know.

Not engage it? Stick to the topics intention and remain on-point, rather than derail it? (Rather hypocritical coming from me, but point still stands)

In Baps defense, though. When they purchased the housing, they weren't doing anything wrong. So they were (And to some, still are) well within their right to own said housing. People that come late to the party cannot really complain about no housing, when they could've got said housing if they came to FFXIV earlier. Not much of a great defense, but saying certain players are horrible people, purely because they own things you don't is kind of petty.

I mean, again, there are plenty of servers that, prior to Shadowbringers launch (Which brought most of the new players in, might I add) that were mostly ghost-towns. Plenty of plots vacant with barely anyone going for them. It's only with the new flood of players that the issue gets put under the microscope. Something not even SE can fix preemptively. (Not without wasting resources on a PROBABILITY. Not a CONFIRMATION)

[Penthea]

People that come late to the party cannot really complain about no housing, when they could've got said housing if they came to FFXIV earlier.

This is an exceptionally unfair thing to say. You almost make it sound like had they enough sense to come earlier then they would have a house.

Housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in it but you still cannot participate because there is limited supply. In fact such a system is exceptionally rare these days in gaming.

No one should be told they aren't allowed to complain about it when they have no reason to know about it unless they actually play the game (referring to "if they came to FFXIV earlier") and when they are literally paying for access to all the content in the game but they are roadblocked by bad design, not their own shortcomings.

This idea that players are not allowed to complain simply because of when they began playing or wanting to get a house is downright awful.

[Kenky]

This is an exceptionally unfair thing to say. You almost make it sound like had they enough sense to come earlier then they would have a house.

Housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in it but you still cannot participate because there is limited supply. In fact such a system is exceptionally rare these days in gaming.

No one should be told they aren't allowed to complain about it when they have no reason to know about it unless they actually play the game (referring to "if they came to FFXIV earlier") and when they are literally paying for access to all the content in the game but they are roadblocked by bad design, not their own shortcomings.

This idea that players are not allowed to complain simply because of when they began playing or wanting to get a house is downright awful.

nice cut-off of the last part of that particular quote there. Almost as if you openly chose to ignore it as it would debunk this entire post. So let me post it for you again!

"It's not much of a great defense, but people saying certain players are horrible people, purely because they own things you don't is kind of petty"

Now. With that in mind. People saying that players who own more than one house are <Insert bad words here!> is what I'm getting at. People who actively hate and attack others who have a house, while the person doing the attackign came late to the party and thus, has to contend with everyone with the placard-spam. That's not fair to the owners.

Given FFXIV openly boasts about their Housing Districts, if anyone new to the game DOESN'T know about them, then they must've been living under a rock. Especially with the hub-bub about it in Live Letters, interviews and even FFXIVs stands at conventions. The "I didn't know X was a thing" falls at the first hurdle when you actively ignore public-domain info thats been floating around for years.

And to end it. I'm not saying people can't complain about it I'm saying people can't yell at home-owners because they have a house and you don't. I, personally cannot really log into the game without getting a slew of "You're a horrible person" or "You should just <insert bad words here> " Purely because I have a house in the Goblet. Infact, one of the worst (if not the worst) plots in the Goblet. Yet I still receive hate for it. So there are people out there that are just that petty.

EDIT: Just noticed. Your "I pay my sub, so I am entitled to everything" defense. You know that's a horrible defense and makes you seem like an entitled brat, right? Just so you're aware. You pay to get access to the game. You have access. End.

[Penthea]

Gotta stop you right there. I wanna focus on what you said about "paying for access to all the content in the game." Some of you guys really, really need to stop throwing around the misconception that paying a sub entitles to you to every single piece of content in the game. The ONLY thing paying a sub guarantees you is access/entrance to the game. That is it. I'm not trying to say you don't deserve a house/apt or anything like that, everybody should have a place to call theirs, but please stop trying to use the fact that you pay a sub as reasoning for why you should be guaranteed one. That's not how it works.

And let me point you to the fact that I said housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in the content but still somehow be unable to do it due to no fault of your own.

Very easy to make me look like I'm an entitled player when you outright intentionally misinterpret my whole post. Here I highlighted that bit for you in case you genuinely missed that part:

This is an exceptionally unfair thing to say. You almost make it sound like had they enough sense to come earlier then they would have a house.

Housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in it but you still cannot participate because there is limited supply. In fact such a system is exceptionally rare these days in gaming.

No one should be told they aren't allowed to complain about it when they have no reason to know about it unless they actually play the game (referring to "if they came to FFXIV earlier") and when they are literally paying for access to all the content in the game but they are roadblocked by bad design, not their own shortcomings.

This idea that players are not allowed to complain simply because of when they began playing or wanting to get a house is downright awful.

Imagine if savage raiding was the same. That you could have the required job lvl and ilvl, maybe even have a full team with you as well, but be unable to participate because there's only a tiny amount of instances in the game. Or what if instead it was that bosses dropped loot only a limited amount of times per server, so you could kill the boss but get absolutely nothing simply because of when you killed it. This is the sort of comparison that I am making. That is not saying "a sub entitles me to a house!" that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled".

Again I point out: housing is the only content in which you can prepare for it in every way the game demands, and still be unable to engage in it.

[Kenky]

that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled"

You can engage in it, though?

Again. Apartments. You want to "engage" in housing? Get an apartment. Upset you don't have a house? Get a house and deal with the system, as we don't really know how long it'll take before said housing "gets better", even if it were to get better in the first place. Don't like the systems? Well, then kindly point your anger to the hundreds, if not thousands of players that exploited the older system and gouged the economy, forcing SE to change it.

Is housing perfect? No. It's not. It could use a LOT of updates and such, but it's not TERRIBLE with how it is currently. Everyone has a fair chance in buying it. Sure, people use macros and bots (which in of itself makes their 'victory' bittersweet) to try and give themselves an edge. But you can do the exact same to maintain that fairness, if housing truly so high on the list that "Obsession" is plastered over it.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

And let me point you to the fact that I said housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in the content but still somehow be unable to do it due to no fault of your own.

Very easy to make me look like I'm an entitled player when you outright intentionally misinterpret my whole post. Here I highlighted that bit for you in case you genuinely missed that part:



Imagine if savage raiding was the same. That you could have the required job lvl and ilvl, maybe even have a full team with you as well, but be unable to participate because there's only a tiny amount of instances in the game. Or what if instead it was that bosses dropped loot only a limited amount of times per server, so you could kill the boss but get absolutely nothing simply because of when you killed it. This is the sort of comparison that I am making. That is not saying "a sub entitles me to a house!" that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled".

Again I point out: housing is the only content in which you can prepare for it in every way the game demands, and still be unable to engage in it.

Housing doesn't equal a house. Houses, apartments, and even free company rooms all fall within the game's housing content. People can engage in the housing system without owning a house.

[SoulEchelon]

It's amazing how many people are either defending the current system or just throwing their hands up and demanding everyone to "deal with it".

FFXIV is my favorite MMO ever. I'm a huge fan of it and Squeenix. But even I can see how utterly crap the housing system is. It's the worst system I've ever had to deal with in any MMO. When you're so damn blinded that you're actually defending the need to stand at a sign and click it 4 or 5 times in a repeated sequence for a random amount of time that could total 20 real life hours with the extremely high possibility of losing it anyway thanks to botters and macro users, then it may be time to reflect on your priorities.

This is a Bad. System. And we all have a right to complain about it with the very, very tiny sliver of hope that we will be heard.

Now to actually add to the conversation - I give a suggestion. One of the biggest reasons why this is such a problem is due to the desire to have "permanent" residences in world. Apartments help this, however as we all know - they are immensely inferior to actual houses. So I propose they simply make instanced houses. Have it cost more than an apartment while having all the amenities of a small house: Outside area, basement, etc. The "permanent" houses will still be in high demand due to being persistent and in world. Instanced housing will leave you secluded, while persistent will have you in a player created neighborhood.

I feel this suggestion would be a win-win for everyone looking to enjoy housing. "But how would outside work?" Take a look at Elder Scrolls Online's housing system - which I gotta say is leagues better than ours. While there aren't any player neighborhoods, everyone has the ability to have their own instanced housing and it opens up to some extremely huge housing instances - from a simple walled in cottage to a gigantic island. If we had something similar as an option, we would not be having this conversation right now.

[Big_Bap]

I don't give two shakes about your analytics or your website. Many know what you're about and you love to troll anyone about housing and spew nonsense about much of it. But hey they can go look up your previous posts for themselves. It's quite entertaining.

What is most hilarious is that I wasn't even talking about player trade of plots, but you go on ahead spew whatever nonsense you wish, because this is what you're infamous for anyway, well aside from greediness. Don't expect me to congratulate you on your profit from hoards of houses you owned and say you sold. You deprived quite a few out of owning plots and now do you expect a pat on the back? Sorry no can do little one.

Of course you don't, you do not care about facts. You proved it again not only once, but twice!

We don't particularly care about anyone's opinion and especially not yours since you cannot even handle facts. Not surprising when you run in circle screaming when I point out the flaws in your posts. We have no sympathy for hypothetical house owners who could have very well do nothing with the houses we used to own. Just like the thousands of players who do nothing with their personal house other than entering it every couple weeks because it's about to be demolished. Take a few step back, maybe you'll see the forest.

[ERMITANYO]

Implementation of improved apartment systems that are aesthetically pleasing and functional, continuation of the housing district and ward system as a limited resource but attainable with some competition, implementation of, per service account 1 plotted house per world only.