Horrifyingly bad experience

[Bright-Flower]

3 words.

Not the same.

Apartments are just FC rooms without the FC requirement. A small, compact space that, while giving the basic features of housing (decorating) it doesn't go far enough. Is it better than nothing? Oh yeah, definitely. Is it the same as regular housing? Not even close. Apartments are far more limited in that they don't allow for outdoor furnishing and customization, as well as providing an extremely small space for people to work with.

If apartments could be upgrade a la Animal crossing houses I think they might be a better replacement, though that would still lack the exterior part.

[Big_Bap]

3 words.

Not the same.

Apartments are just FC rooms without the FC requirement. A small, compact space that, while giving the basic features of housing (decorating) it doesn't go far enough. Is it better than nothing? Oh yeah, definitely. Is it the same as regular housing? Not even close. Apartments are far more limited in that they don't allow for outdoor furnishing and customization, as well as providing an extremely small space for people to work with.

Apartments are exact copies of small houses when housing came out, minus the garden. With some small houses having a sticker price of 50,000,000 gil, you have to be delusional to complain about the current apartments.

[Bright-Flower]

Apartments are exact copies of small houses when housing came out, minus the garden. With some small houses having a sticker price of 50,000,000 gil, you have to be delusional to complain about the current apartments.

Just because a system used to be worse than it is today doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement still.

[Big_Bap]

Just because a system used to be worse than it is today doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement still.

Worse? It wasn't. The shortage of houses started to happen when they tried to make it better and look at the mess we're in. Be grateful an apartment costs you 1% of what some small houses used to cost. You want improvement... get a house.

[Bright-Flower]

Worse? It wasn't. The shortage of houses started to happen when they tried to make it better and look at the mess we're in. Be grateful an apartment costs you 1% of what some small houses used to cost. You want improvement... get a house.

I have one. Still wouldn't mind them improving on apartments through.

[Penthea]

Gotta stop you right there. I wanna focus on what you said about "paying for access to all the content in the game." Some of you guys really, really need to stop throwing around the misconception that paying a sub entitles to you to every single piece of content in the game. The ONLY thing paying a sub guarantees you is access/entrance to the game. That is it. I'm not trying to say you don't deserve a house/apt or anything like that, everybody should have a place to call theirs, but please stop trying to use the fact that you pay a sub as reasoning for why you should be guaranteed one. That's not how it works.

And let me point you to the fact that I said housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in the content but still somehow be unable to do it due to no fault of your own.

Very easy to make me look like I'm an entitled player when you outright intentionally misinterpret my whole post. Here I highlighted that bit for you in case you genuinely missed that part:

This is an exceptionally unfair thing to say. You almost make it sound like had they enough sense to come earlier then they would have a house.

Housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in it but you still cannot participate because there is limited supply. In fact such a system is exceptionally rare these days in gaming.

No one should be told they aren't allowed to complain about it when they have no reason to know about it unless they actually play the game (referring to "if they came to FFXIV earlier") and when they are literally paying for access to all the content in the game but they are roadblocked by bad design, not their own shortcomings.

This idea that players are not allowed to complain simply because of when they began playing or wanting to get a house is downright awful.

Imagine if savage raiding was the same. That you could have the required job lvl and ilvl, maybe even have a full team with you as well, but be unable to participate because there's only a tiny amount of instances in the game. Or what if instead it was that bosses dropped loot only a limited amount of times per server, so you could kill the boss but get absolutely nothing simply because of when you killed it. This is the sort of comparison that I am making. That is not saying "a sub entitles me to a house!" that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled".

Again I point out: housing is the only content in which you can prepare for it in every way the game demands, and still be unable to engage in it.

[Kenky]

that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled"

You can engage in it, though?

Again. Apartments. You want to "engage" in housing? Get an apartment. Upset you don't have a house? Get a house and deal with the system, as we don't really know how long it'll take before said housing "gets better", even if it were to get better in the first place. Don't like the systems? Well, then kindly point your anger to the hundreds, if not thousands of players that exploited the older system and gouged the economy, forcing SE to change it.

Is housing perfect? No. It's not. It could use a LOT of updates and such, but it's not TERRIBLE with how it is currently. Everyone has a fair chance in buying it. Sure, people use macros and bots (which in of itself makes their 'victory' bittersweet) to try and give themselves an edge. But you can do the exact same to maintain that fairness, if housing truly so high on the list that "Obsession" is plastered over it.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

And let me point you to the fact that I said housing is the only content in the game in which you can meet all the prerequisites to engage in the content but still somehow be unable to do it due to no fault of your own.

Very easy to make me look like I'm an entitled player when you outright intentionally misinterpret my whole post. Here I highlighted that bit for you in case you genuinely missed that part:



Imagine if savage raiding was the same. That you could have the required job lvl and ilvl, maybe even have a full team with you as well, but be unable to participate because there's only a tiny amount of instances in the game. Or what if instead it was that bosses dropped loot only a limited amount of times per server, so you could kill the boss but get absolutely nothing simply because of when you killed it. This is the sort of comparison that I am making. That is not saying "a sub entitles me to a house!" that is saying "a sub entitles me to engage in content whose prerequisites I have fulfilled".

Again I point out: housing is the only content in which you can prepare for it in every way the game demands, and still be unable to engage in it.

Housing doesn't equal a house. Houses, apartments, and even free company rooms all fall within the game's housing content. People can engage in the housing system without owning a house.

[SoulEchelon]

It's amazing how many people are either defending the current system or just throwing their hands up and demanding everyone to "deal with it".

FFXIV is my favorite MMO ever. I'm a huge fan of it and Squeenix. But even I can see how utterly crap the housing system is. It's the worst system I've ever had to deal with in any MMO. When you're so damn blinded that you're actually defending the need to stand at a sign and click it 4 or 5 times in a repeated sequence for a random amount of time that could total 20 real life hours with the extremely high possibility of losing it anyway thanks to botters and macro users, then it may be time to reflect on your priorities.

This is a Bad. System. And we all have a right to complain about it with the very, very tiny sliver of hope that we will be heard.

Now to actually add to the conversation - I give a suggestion. One of the biggest reasons why this is such a problem is due to the desire to have "permanent" residences in world. Apartments help this, however as we all know - they are immensely inferior to actual houses. So I propose they simply make instanced houses. Have it cost more than an apartment while having all the amenities of a small house: Outside area, basement, etc. The "permanent" houses will still be in high demand due to being persistent and in world. Instanced housing will leave you secluded, while persistent will have you in a player created neighborhood.

I feel this suggestion would be a win-win for everyone looking to enjoy housing. "But how would outside work?" Take a look at Elder Scrolls Online's housing system - which I gotta say is leagues better than ours. While there aren't any player neighborhoods, everyone has the ability to have their own instanced housing and it opens up to some extremely huge housing instances - from a simple walled in cottage to a gigantic island. If we had something similar as an option, we would not be having this conversation right now.

[Kidria]

Wasn't one of the issues of an 'instanced house on it's own lonesome plot' the idea that gardening is (through the code somehow) tied to weather, which if needing to be applied to endless instanced houses, could lead to some severe data congestion?