Quote Originally Posted by YojimboM View Post
RDM is equivalent to DNC and higher than BRD in e1s
RDM:
Min:
8,336
Low Quart:
9,306
Median:
10,334
Up Quart:
11,205
Max:
12,021

BRD:
Min: 9,089
Low Quart:
9,982
Median:
10,885
Up Quart:
11,473
Max:
12,013.87

Red Mage only overtakes Bard at the maximum, at every other level of the statistic it is lower than Bard, and these are the two lowest in rDPS--that means total contribution. Even then, Bard is 8 DPS more than RDM at the maximum.

higher than BRD and DNC in e2s
Bard is higher than Red Mage at every level until the maximum, once again.

SIGNIFICANTLY higher than BRD and slightly lower than DNC in e3s,
Wanna try again? Beaten by Dancer at every level until Maximum once again, and again, we can agree Dancer is undertuned.

and higher than both DNC and BRD in e4s. I literally just looked at FFlogs again to confirm it.
So did I. It's just barely eking above Dancer and Bard.

It's 3/4 for better/equivalent than both DNC and BRD. You should check the numbers again, "not worth responding to".
It's not, and honestly you're also not even considering RDM isn't competing with Dancer and Bard, it's competing with Summoner and Black Mage. Taking double caster means saccing a Melee spot, and god you wouldn't drop a melee for any of the ranged besides a second Black Mage, and even then, you're more likely to see a ranged dropped for a second Black Mage anyway.

Your position is "Red Mage's damage isn't low because it's not the lowest." That's a stupid position to take considering it's fighting tooth and nail against the weakest jobs in the game that it's not even competing for a spot in the party against. Your party comp won't ever be Melee Melee Caster Caster (exception: Melee Melee Black Mage Black Mage) because not taking a ranged DPS means sacrificing 1% total stats for the whole party.

You take RDM when you're on farm because one of your ranged is better at it than BRD/MCH or SMN/BLM. That's the only reason. Just like every single other job in the game. Someone could be super trash at MNK and play DRG instead to be worth more to their party.
A 99% RDM is weaker than a blue percentile Black Mage in rDPS. This is not true comparing MNK to DRG.

It's called job balance. And that's why RDM is perfectly fine how it is, it is not intended to be stronger than DNC or BRD (only equal)
Nice goalpost shifting. You went from "It's not supposed to be strong as Black Mage" to "It's not supposed to be stronger than DNC or BRD!" With an attitude like that RDM will literally only be good for prog and promptly dropped for Summoner or Black Mage--its actual peers.

and why people can whine about RDM DPS forever and SE will never change it. Pick a different job.
Except it's getting buffs in 5.1, not only to potencies but to rotational consistency. Whomp whomp.

And I guarantee you that a MNK or BLM that died twice will never do more DPS than an equally skilled RDM who hasn't died. There is no coming back from double weakness.
tfw the qualifier needs to be Brink for two jobs to even be comparable. Yeah that's job balance alright.