Alexander Ultimate

[JohnSpawnVFX]

There's a huge difference between "I don't like Ultimate because XYZ", and "I don't care.". One actually foments discussion, the other is just noise and calling for attention.

It's definitely OK to silence such posts because they don't add anything to the discussion, just to the poster's ego.

[Iscah]

Ultimates so far have been nothing but a certain's minstrel's fan fictions with added embellishments on steroid, so I doubt there will be lore added to it nor does it need to.

True, but that "certain minstrel" does lean very hard on the fourth wall and/or could justifiably know a lot more as an in-story character than he lets on....

More importantly, we've just had an expansion where Alexander is a background-but-crucial piece of the puzzle, and here it is being brought up again. Possibly by coincidental timing, since previous ultimates were ARR bosses and HW is the logical next step, but still.

[CrimsonThunder]

Based OF being hostile to Ultimate because it's content they'll never be good enough to do.

[Vahlnir]

same but im also looking forward to the DNC and GNB weapons for a12 they might add like they did with Coils and ultimate last time

This is kind of what I'm hoping for. If so my tomes are ready. I've been holding onto them for awhile. They added them (SAM and RDM) for UCoB because the other weapons shared the same model as the normal versions, so it's a possibility.

[JohnnyDevo]

Didn't care about ultimate before and still don't now.

The topic asked for opinions ("What about y'all?") and I gave mine. If you don't like it, too damn bad.

Ah, so opinions are only okay as long as they agree with yours?

I must have missed the memo that dictated that all discussion forums were to hereafter be referred to as echo chambers.

Opinions are fine, yes.

Being a jerk about it is not. Offering nothing to the conversation is also not.

Your tone this entire thread has been, at best, completely dismissive. At worst? openly hostile. Do you mean it that way? maybe not, but that's irrelevant. What it comes off as is you coming into a thread, proclaiming yourself to not care about it. That kind of thing always raises the question "if you don't care about it, why even come in here and be negative about it?"

A good contribution to the discussion is not "I didn't care and I still don't", but rather more like "I don't personally care for ultimate. I find that it's too much of a time investment for me to actually get into it. I would like it better if there were a 'normal' and 'ultimate' versions of the fight, so that more people would be able to experience it."

You didn't get called out because your opinion was disagreed with. You got called out because you were being a twit.

[Fynlar]

There's a huge difference between "I don't like Ultimate because XYZ", and "I don't care.". One actually foments discussion, the other is just noise and calling for attention.

A good contribution to the discussion is not "I didn't care and I still don't", but rather more like "I don't personally care for ultimate. I find that it's too much of a time investment for me to actually get into it. I would like it better if there were a 'normal' and 'ultimate' versions of the fight, so that more people would be able to experience it."

You didn't get called out because your opinion was disagreed with. You got called out because you were being a twit.

I don't see the people who like ultimate having to provide Reasons for why they feel that way, so why should anyone else?

Denouncing opinions simply because they disagree with yours sounds more like the actual "twit" behavior if you ask me.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Denouncing opinions because they disagree with yours =/= denouncing opinions that boil down to "look at me, I exist" instead of adding actual discussion.

[Fynlar]

Again, please tell me where "discussion" was the goal of this thread. Most of the people responding are just like "yay, want!" without actually stating why they want it or inviting any discussion of their opinions. Even the OP doesn't say why they're looking forward to ultimate; they just said they are. Why isn't he getting blasted for making what basically also boils down to a "look at me, I exist" post?

Since you're not treating both sides equally (I'm sure that if I went with the crowd and said "yay, want!" nobody would be taking issue with it or asking me to defend my stance), all I can assume is that, yes, you're denouncing opinions simply because they don't fall in line with yours. So again, who's really being the twits here?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I'd say it's the one twisting other people's arguments, and using the "If they can, why can't I too?" defense.

You could have already provided your reasons to boost discussion, but I guess shirking blame and deflecting is more important.

[Fluffernuff]

I'd say it's the one twisting other people's arguments, and using the "If they can, why can't I too?" defense.

You could have already provided your reasons to boost discussion, but I guess shirking blame and deflecting is more important.

i would like to point out.... you have not said a word about ultimate, and have focused singularly on clinging to being confrontational to a single person. what have you added to this topic?

if you want to have a moral high ground, its usually a cool thing to acknowledge and admit to your own faults and blatant hypocrisy.